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"The reason is very simple: FB doesn't want to hire someone else for this job. They're doing the PERM process because they want to keep me." It may seem bizarr

"The reason is very simple: FB doesn't want to hire someone else for this job. They're doing the PERM process because they want to keep me." It may seem bizarre to you, but that is exactly what the law requires. You're confirming that the DoJ allegations are true. Don't be shocked if Facebook lawyers don't make the argument that actually breaking this law "helps the USA".

pavlov 6y ago
I gather that's how the law works. I just don't understand why it's so broken. Say I don't get the green card and my visa expires. Facebook isn't going to suddenly hire an American to do my job. Instead they'll just relocate me back to Europe. Team communication becomes harder and USA loses a taxpayer. Who wins?
- jacobriis 6y ago
  That same argument applies to every employee outside of any one country of any company with a nexus in another. "We're going to employ person P in country C2 therefore country C1 is losing out to C2 if person P isn't permitted to work in C1." Therefore all borders must be opened. QED.
  - pavlov 6y ago
    Why shouldn’t the US want those highly paid workers instead of country C? Attracting foreign talent was a major factor in America’s success throughout the 20th century. Who benefits from having the Justice Dept filing lawsuits to prevent companies from hiring foreign talent? It doesn’t seem to be the American worker, at least. > “Therefore all borders must be opened. QED.” This is a strawman that shows you’re an ideologue rather than someone discussing in good faith. I said nothing about open borders. I’m puzzled why the Justice Dept doesn’t want someone like me applying for the residence, because realistically almost any other nation would consider me an ideal immigrant candidate.
    - jacobriis 6y ago
      "This is a strawman that shows you’re an ideologue rather than someone discussing in good faith... I said nothing about open borders. I’m puzzled why the Justice Dept doesn’t want someone like me applying for the residence" You didn't narrow your argument to net contributors or rich people. You're perfectly happy with construction workers being turned away, just not rich people. That's fair. Then we can skip the "I'm a net contributor" argument and jump to "I'm a large net contributor". So we are very foolish for not having open borders for at least rich people? Let's say everyone who makes over $200k in the US is permitted to live here. Does that negatively effect the market conditions for anyone in the country? Then the argument becomes so what if it does negatively effect some people. What right do they have to live here simply by virtue of being born here or immigrating earlier? We're all just humans, it's stolen land, etc.
      - pavlov 6y ago
        Sheesh. Where do you come up with “open borders”? I’ve already been granted a visa that required me to prove that I have expertise that isn’t easily available on the US job market. The process cost at least $10k. That’s not an open border. Now that I’m applying to stay, the Justice Department is suing because my employer doesn’t advertise my job as a vacancy on their website. What sense does this make? Trump famously asked why the US doesn’t get more immigrants “from somewhere like Norway rather than shithole countries.” I’m from Finland and have employment in the country already. Yet, if we go by your implication that my L1-PERM path shouldn’t be allowed, there’s no legal path for me to stay here, right? I guess your brand of nativism simply doesn’t want anyone in the country. That will be America’s loss.
        jacobriis 6y ago
        If you're on an L1B visa, you were required to demonstrate specialized knowledge of working at Facebook. "Specialized knowledge means either special knowledge possessed by an individual of the petitioning organization’s product, service, research, equipment, techniques, management, or other interests and its application in international markets, or an advanced level of knowledge or expertise in the organization’s processes and procedures (See 8 CFR 214.2(l)(1)(ii)(D))." https://www.uscis.gov/working-in-the-united-states/temporary-workers/l-1b-intracompany-transferee-specialized-knowledge https://www.uscis.gov/working-in-the-united-states/temporary... Just FYI, the largest users of this visa are body shop consulting companies like Tata, Cognizant, IBM, HP, Deloitte, Infosys. You'll have to forgive me for not being impressed by the entire category of L1 approvals.

pavlov 6y ago

I gather that's how the law works. I just don't understand why it's so broken. Say I don't get the green card and my visa expires. Facebook isn't going to suddenly hire an American to do my job. Instead they'll just relocate me back to Europe. Team communication becomes harder and USA loses a taxpayer. Who wins?

jacobriis 6y ago
That same argument applies to every employee outside of any one country of any company with a nexus in another. "We're going to employ person P in country C2 therefore country C1 is losing out to C2 if person P isn't permitted to work in C1." Therefore all borders must be opened. QED.
- pavlov 6y ago
  Why shouldn’t the US want those highly paid workers instead of country C? Attracting foreign talent was a major factor in America’s success throughout the 20th century. Who benefits from having the Justice Dept filing lawsuits to prevent companies from hiring foreign talent? It doesn’t seem to be the American worker, at least. > “Therefore all borders must be opened. QED.” This is a strawman that shows you’re an ideologue rather than someone discussing in good faith. I said nothing about open borders. I’m puzzled why the Justice Dept doesn’t want someone like me applying for the residence, because realistically almost any other nation would consider me an ideal immigrant candidate.
  - jacobriis 6y ago
    "This is a strawman that shows you’re an ideologue rather than someone discussing in good faith... I said nothing about open borders. I’m puzzled why the Justice Dept doesn’t want someone like me applying for the residence" You didn't narrow your argument to net contributors or rich people. You're perfectly happy with construction workers being turned away, just not rich people. That's fair. Then we can skip the "I'm a net contributor" argument and jump to "I'm a large net contributor". So we are very foolish for not having open borders for at least rich people? Let's say everyone who makes over $200k in the US is permitted to live here. Does that negatively effect the market conditions for anyone in the country? Then the argument becomes so what if it does negatively effect some people. What right do they have to live here simply by virtue of being born here or immigrating earlier? We're all just humans, it's stolen land, etc.
    - pavlov 6y ago
      Sheesh. Where do you come up with “open borders”? I’ve already been granted a visa that required me to prove that I have expertise that isn’t easily available on the US job market. The process cost at least $10k. That’s not an open border. Now that I’m applying to stay, the Justice Department is suing because my employer doesn’t advertise my job as a vacancy on their website. What sense does this make? Trump famously asked why the US doesn’t get more immigrants “from somewhere like Norway rather than shithole countries.” I’m from Finland and have employment in the country already. Yet, if we go by your implication that my L1-PERM path shouldn’t be allowed, there’s no legal path for me to stay here, right? I guess your brand of nativism simply doesn’t want anyone in the country. That will be America’s loss.
      - jacobriis 6y ago
        If you're on an L1B visa, you were required to demonstrate specialized knowledge of working at Facebook. "Specialized knowledge means either special knowledge possessed by an individual of the petitioning organization’s product, service, research, equipment, techniques, management, or other interests and its application in international markets, or an advanced level of knowledge or expertise in the organization’s processes and procedures (See 8 CFR 214.2(l)(1)(ii)(D))." https://www.uscis.gov/working-in-the-united-states/temporary-workers/l-1b-intracompany-transferee-specialized-knowledge https://www.uscis.gov/working-in-the-united-states/temporary... Just FYI, the largest users of this visa are body shop consulting companies like Tata, Cognizant, IBM, HP, Deloitte, Infosys. You'll have to forgive me for not being impressed by the entire category of L1 approvals.