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Delete? Or just make it unavailable to you? If delete, sign me up.

by bird_monster 6y ago

tartoran 6y ago
That's a good point. I think google doesn't delete anything unless the law forces them to do so.
- jefftk 6y ago
  That's not correct. If you delete things they are actually deleted, though it does take a few months to be gone from everywhere. (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19965615 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19965615, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12980863 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12980863, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19809320 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19809320, etc) (Disclosure: I work for google, speaking only for myself)
  - bird_monster 6y ago
    I wouldn't believe that Google deletes data even if they wrote it in stone.
  - tartoran 6y ago
    I believe what you say that it gets deleted. What I am not sure is whether it gets copied somewhere else for long term storage or some data mining, thing that you may not be aware of. I doubt you know everything that happens at google but I might be wrong there as I don't know who exactly is that I am talking to. Regardless, google has lost my trust completely and am not sure if it is possible to recover it and go back to the "do no evil stage" anymore.
    - bird_monster 6y ago
      Yeah - I believe this person believes that a set of data in its original state gets full-deleted. I do not believe that that data, in all of its forms, gets deleted from all of its storage locations. I'd hazard a guess that Google doesn't even have the ability to know whether it's been fully deleted across all of its storage locations even if they wanted to.
pmiller2 6y ago
I get where you're coming from, but isn't 2 years an awful long time for Google to have to use your data the way Google, and Google alone chooses, even if "delete" really means "delete"?
- bird_monster 6y ago
  My statement is more about what I would _like_. Meaning, if Google is saying 'If you stop using google products, 2 years later we will full delete all of your data', I would spot using them today, right now. If there is grey area, I probably wouldn't/don't care, because what can I really do?
  - bagacrap 6y ago
    you can manually delete your account and all data, today, and Google will actually delete everything much sooner than two years from now. You can also set your account to auto delete n months after it becomes inactive.
    - bird_monster 6y ago
      Full delete? No copies or derivations? No anonymized versions? No subsidiaries?

Delete? Or just make it unavailable to you? If delete, sign me up.

tartoran 6y ago

That's a good point. I think google doesn't delete anything unless the law forces them to do so.

jefftk 6y ago
That's not correct. If you delete things they are actually deleted, though it does take a few months to be gone from everywhere. (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19965615 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19965615, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12980863 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12980863, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19809320 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19809320, etc) (Disclosure: I work for google, speaking only for myself)
- bird_monster 6y ago
  I wouldn't believe that Google deletes data even if they wrote it in stone.
- tartoran 6y ago
  I believe what you say that it gets deleted. What I am not sure is whether it gets copied somewhere else for long term storage or some data mining, thing that you may not be aware of. I doubt you know everything that happens at google but I might be wrong there as I don't know who exactly is that I am talking to. Regardless, google has lost my trust completely and am not sure if it is possible to recover it and go back to the "do no evil stage" anymore.
  - bird_monster 6y ago
    Yeah - I believe this person believes that a set of data in its original state gets full-deleted. I do not believe that that data, in all of its forms, gets deleted from all of its storage locations. I'd hazard a guess that Google doesn't even have the ability to know whether it's been fully deleted across all of its storage locations even if they wanted to.

pmiller2 6y ago

I get where you're coming from, but isn't 2 years an awful long time for Google to have to use your data the way Google, and Google alone chooses, even if "delete" really means "delete"?

bird_monster 6y ago
My statement is more about what I would _like_. Meaning, if Google is saying 'If you stop using google products, 2 years later we will full delete all of your data', I would spot using them today, right now. If there is grey area, I probably wouldn't/don't care, because what can I really do?
- bagacrap 6y ago
  you can manually delete your account and all data, today, and Google will actually delete everything much sooner than two years from now. You can also set your account to auto delete n months after it becomes inactive.
  - bird_monster 6y ago
    Full delete? No copies or derivations? No anonymized versions? No subsidiaries?