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The point is that she has an expectation of Yann to go further than just stating a fact. I assume she thinks that Yann has enough intellectual capacity to impr
by je42 6y ago
The point is that she has an expectation of Yann to go further than just stating a fact.
I assume she thinks that Yann has enough intellectual capacity to improve situation of biased ML but doesnt execute. Further, my guess is that the reason why he doesnt execute is not transparent to her, hence frustrating.
- rubatuga 6y agoAlthough that is a bit overreaching of an expectation in my opinion, I agree it would be good if Yann was a bit more explicit.
- TheMagicHorsey 6y agoI don't think that's what she meant. You are filling in the blanks that she should have filled herself.
- prionassembly 6y agoOne of Jenny Holzer’s truisms is: you owe the world, not the other way around. Isn’t Gebru an “AI researcher”, after all?
- PeterisP 6y agoThis is probably the core of the conflict there - there are researchers that aim to remove technical bias from technical systems and expect to stop there, not going into social issues of how the systems will be applied, as they consider that (e.g. solving the biases in the society) as a separate issue. Dr. Gebru, among others, expects and insists that they do go beyond that and try to get involved in the social consequences of tech. They refuse, ergo conflict.
- itsoktocry 6y ago>I assume she thinks that Yann has enough intellectual capacity to improve situation of biased ML but doesnt execute. Yann has no obligation to do so on Twitter, and shouldn't be called out by coworkers publicly regarding that decision, in my opinion.
- visarga 6y ago> The point is that she has an expectation of Yann to go further than just stating a fact. Yann was talking about a specific model, she was talking about ML & society on a grand scale. Can't we talk about specific things now? Why did he have to apologize for it? My feeling is that Timnit is using people, she guilt trips, humiliates them online, makes a big fuss and it's all to whip up support in her crusades. She wants to win the public opinion by any means, so she needs famous opponents to pile on, such as Yann and Dean (who have universal admiration in the field). She's always playing the victim. I find this kind of behavior toxic, it degrades dialogue.