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>It may well be that the demand for physical presence H1Bs drops significantly in tech firms. Even if you're not required to be physically present there's stil

>It may well be that the demand for physical presence H1Bs drops significantly in tech firms. Even if you're not required to be physically present there's still value in being under the same legal system - good luck enforcing NDA/IP ownership on an employee you never met from a random country across the world with a different legal system and different employment laws. Also employee retention is even harder in that scenario (the opposite of H1B scenario where you basically capture the employee). I say this as someone who's freelancing for US clients from Eastern Europe - the only model I saw working for non-trivial stuff is opening offshore offices with a dedicated team/staff/etc. - but then you're dealing with plain old offshoring C19 probably makes this harder because travel is harder and you probably want to fly key people to set things up properly. There are full remote companies like GitLab but most of their stuff is OSS anyway and their core product is not very innovation based (something that needs IP/NDA protection), this kind of work was getting outsourced/offshored full speed even before C19.

nrmitchi 6y ago
> Even if you're not required to be physically present there's still value in being under the same legal system I mean, sure, ya, there is value. Unfortunately it's not really the kind of value that USCIS cares about when it comes to work authorization. > There are full remote companies like GitLab Gitlab is not a US-based company anyways, and does not do any US visa sponsorship. Also, claiming that their work isn't innovative and is therefore getting off-shored kind of discounts the work of everyone working there.
- reader_mode 6y ago
  GitLab is just the first example that came to mind when thinking of a company that's loud about it's "remote first" approach. There's nothing revolutionary done at GitLab that could leak to competitors, maybe you could compromise their infrastructure to cause damage, but at the end of the day it's yet another app doing a thing that's already been done with the tech everyone already has using methods everyone understands. Compare that to self driving, robotics, biotech, weapons, etc. - governments and large corporations are hiring spies to steal this stuff - I doubt you get to work on cutting edge R&D related stuff as a remote worker from a different country.

nrmitchi 6y ago

> Even if you're not required to be physically present there's still value in being under the same legal system I mean, sure, ya, there is value. Unfortunately it's not really the kind of value that USCIS cares about when it comes to work authorization. > There are full remote companies like GitLab Gitlab is not a US-based company anyways, and does not do any US visa sponsorship. Also, claiming that their work isn't innovative and is therefore getting off-shored kind of discounts the work of everyone working there.

reader_mode 6y ago
GitLab is just the first example that came to mind when thinking of a company that's loud about it's "remote first" approach. There's nothing revolutionary done at GitLab that could leak to competitors, maybe you could compromise their infrastructure to cause damage, but at the end of the day it's yet another app doing a thing that's already been done with the tech everyone already has using methods everyone understands. Compare that to self driving, robotics, biotech, weapons, etc. - governments and large corporations are hiring spies to steal this stuff - I doubt you get to work on cutting edge R&D related stuff as a remote worker from a different country.