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What % of that is developers? What is the global demand for software developers?

jedberg 6y ago
Does it matter? There is no realistic way that all the best developers, or even all the good developers, already live in the USA.
- throw_m239339 6y ago
  > Does it matter? There is no realistic way that all the best developers, or even all the good developers, already live in the USA. Yes, it does, you used a figure to suit your argument, now people are rightfully asking for a more relevant figure to see if your argument still stands. So what % of developers live in USA? The rest is just purely your opinion.
  - jedberg 6y ago
    I would contend that the unknowable numbers the person is asking for are not actually relevant to the argument at all.
    - shiftpgdn 6y ago
      It is a knowable number you're just omitting it to suit your argument.
    - throw_m239339 6y ago
      > I would contend that the unknowable numbers the person is asking for are not actually relevant to the argument at all. More like you don't want to know, or it would turn your argument into an absurdity.
      - jedberg 6y ago
        Please explain to me how knowing those values would change the argument. At what thresholds would it make a difference one way or the other?
        throw_m239339 6y ago
        Please explain how the number you cited is relevant at first place, with the same conditions: > At what thresholds would it make a difference one way or the other?
        jedberg 6y ago
        You can look at a person and tell that they are bald. You can look at a person and tell that they are not bald. But you can't say exactly when they go from not bald to bald. Since we can't know how many people are employed as developers, we must guess. But we can reasonably guess that if only 4.25% of the world's population lives in the US, it can't possibly have all the best developers, or even the majority of them.
  - dboreham 6y ago
    It doesn't. This is like asking what percentage of international level pop singers live in the US. Definitely not 100%. Even considering baseball players the proportion isn't 100%.
    - throw_m239339 6y ago
      If it doesn't then the grand grand parent's figure doesn't matter either, you can't have it both ways with this kind of argument. You can't use a number and when asked about an accurate representation of the problem, opt out claiming numbers don't matter.
      - jedberg 6y ago
        I didn't say numbers don't matter. I just said your numbers don't matter, because they aren't relevant. It's on you to prove that the numbers you seek are relevant.
DiogenesKynikos 6y ago
US companies definitely make up way more than 4.25% of the global demand for skilled software engineers. The global software industry is highly concentrated in the US, which is why there's a large influx of skilled software engineers into the US. Without that influx, this concentration would be impossible. If the US heavily restricts immigration by software engineers, the industry will ultimately relocate elsewhere. Europe would love to get all its software engineers back.

Does it matter? There is no realistic way that all the best developers, or even all the good developers, already live in the USA.

throw_m239339 6y ago
> Does it matter? There is no realistic way that all the best developers, or even all the good developers, already live in the USA. Yes, it does, you used a figure to suit your argument, now people are rightfully asking for a more relevant figure to see if your argument still stands. So what % of developers live in USA? The rest is just purely your opinion.
- jedberg 6y ago
  I would contend that the unknowable numbers the person is asking for are not actually relevant to the argument at all.
  - shiftpgdn 6y ago
    It is a knowable number you're just omitting it to suit your argument.
  - throw_m239339 6y ago
    > I would contend that the unknowable numbers the person is asking for are not actually relevant to the argument at all. More like you don't want to know, or it would turn your argument into an absurdity.
    - jedberg 6y ago
      Please explain to me how knowing those values would change the argument. At what thresholds would it make a difference one way or the other?
      - throw_m239339 6y ago
        Please explain how the number you cited is relevant at first place, with the same conditions: > At what thresholds would it make a difference one way or the other?
        jedberg 6y ago
        You can look at a person and tell that they are bald. You can look at a person and tell that they are not bald. But you can't say exactly when they go from not bald to bald. Since we can't know how many people are employed as developers, we must guess. But we can reasonably guess that if only 4.25% of the world's population lives in the US, it can't possibly have all the best developers, or even the majority of them.
- dboreham 6y ago
  It doesn't. This is like asking what percentage of international level pop singers live in the US. Definitely not 100%. Even considering baseball players the proportion isn't 100%.
  - throw_m239339 6y ago
    If it doesn't then the grand grand parent's figure doesn't matter either, you can't have it both ways with this kind of argument. You can't use a number and when asked about an accurate representation of the problem, opt out claiming numbers don't matter.
    - jedberg 6y ago
      I didn't say numbers don't matter. I just said your numbers don't matter, because they aren't relevant. It's on you to prove that the numbers you seek are relevant.

DiogenesKynikos 6y ago

US companies definitely make up way more than 4.25% of the global demand for skilled software engineers. The global software industry is highly concentrated in the US, which is why there's a large influx of skilled software engineers into the US. Without that influx, this concentration would be impossible. If the US heavily restricts immigration by software engineers, the industry will ultimately relocate elsewhere. Europe would love to get all its software engineers back.