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> The complaint also alleges that Facebook sought to channel jobs to temporary visa holders at the expense of U.S. workers by failing to advertise those vacanci

> The complaint also alleges that Facebook sought to channel jobs to temporary visa holders at the expense of U.S. workers by failing to advertise those vacancies on its careers website, requiring applicants to apply by physical mail only, and refusing to consider any U.S. workers who applied for those positions. In contrast, Facebook’s usual hiring process relies on recruitment methods designed to encourage applications by advertising positions on its careers website, accepting electronic applications, and not pre-selecting candidates to be hired based on a candidate’s immigration status, according to the lawsuit. Important to note: the allegations, if true, probably only indirectly impacted you or me. In other words, we all failed our Facebook interviews the good ol fashion way - through incompetence - not unfairness.

programmerslave 6y ago
Not really. H1B immigrants raise the bar on hiring. Often times they are willing to work more hours, study more, etc for a chance to thrive in the USA. This reduces working conditions, effective wages, and employment prospects for Americans.
- supercanuck 6y ago
  Same thing happening to migrants working farm fields in the USA.
- nrmitchi 6y ago
  > for a chance to thrive in the USA Or, because they are forced to under threat of deportation. This is only the case because of the un-due power that the H1-B system gives the employer. This un-due power can easily be taken away (by not tying the status directly to the employer, and giving the employee the actual freedom to switch positions). If the employer didn't have effective-deportation power over an employee, then maybe they wouldn't be able to get away with "reduce[d] working conditions, effective wages, and employment prospects for Americans". The enemy here isn't the foreign worker. If you're upset with anyone in this situation it should be an employer that is taking advantage of everyone else involved, and managed to put the blame on someone else.
  - safog 6y ago
    This is just blaming immigrants for their work ethic. You can't keep up with people that work harder than you, don't disguise it as "un-due power employer has over employee". The SWE market (where most H1s are employed) is so competitive that shmucks who run through 3 month bootcamps get 100k+ offers. The threat of being fired is not as effective as you think it is.
    - programmerslave 6y ago
      Most undergrad computer science graduates cannot find jobs right now
      - sjg007 6y ago
        Unless they aren't being offered interviews, it's probably because they can't code. I don't mean that in a bad way but programming is not a skill that is emphasized in most undergrad CS programs. It's kind of a catch22 but that's one reason we have these boot camps / tutorials etc...
        lazyasciiart 6y ago
        Compared to normal years, my local impression is that kids about to graduate really aren't being offered interviews. And those who just finished a summer internship that would usually have led to a job offer mostly didn't get those job offers. It really sucks to be them.
        sjg007 6y ago
        The normal path back in the day was QA first then dev. Sometimes you could jump the line via an internship but it was rare.
      - safog 6y ago
        This is true, but this is literally right now under exceptional circumstances (hiring freezes, reduced head counts etc. while COVID progresses). The last time this was true was after '08 - '10 or so. I don't think grandparent comment is talking about the situation now, it was a more general comment about H1Bs under normal circumstances being forced to work long hours by employers under threat of job loss.
- lovecg 6y ago
  Well sure, all of this is true. But the other side of the coin is the myth of America built by scrappy immigrants. What country we want to be is probably at the core of this and many other issues. You can’t be both a worldwide magnet for hungry ambitious talent and an isolationist utopia with strong protections for local workers.
- supercanuck 6y ago
  You are kidding right? I managed interviews where the same person would perform the same interview with different names and you would interview a person and a different person would show up for work.
- damnyou 6y ago
  So give out ten times as many green cards and remove the restrictions. You don't want to do that? Oh, I see.
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whimsicalism 6y ago
> Important to note: the allegations, if true, probably only indirectly impacted you or me. In other words, we all failed our Facebook interviews the good ol fashion way - through incompetence - not unfairness. Not how labor markets work (:

programmerslave 6y ago

Not really. H1B immigrants raise the bar on hiring. Often times they are willing to work more hours, study more, etc for a chance to thrive in the USA. This reduces working conditions, effective wages, and employment prospects for Americans.

supercanuck 6y ago
Same thing happening to migrants working farm fields in the USA.
nrmitchi 6y ago
> for a chance to thrive in the USA Or, because they are forced to under threat of deportation. This is only the case because of the un-due power that the H1-B system gives the employer. This un-due power can easily be taken away (by not tying the status directly to the employer, and giving the employee the actual freedom to switch positions). If the employer didn't have effective-deportation power over an employee, then maybe they wouldn't be able to get away with "reduce[d] working conditions, effective wages, and employment prospects for Americans". The enemy here isn't the foreign worker. If you're upset with anyone in this situation it should be an employer that is taking advantage of everyone else involved, and managed to put the blame on someone else.
- safog 6y ago
  This is just blaming immigrants for their work ethic. You can't keep up with people that work harder than you, don't disguise it as "un-due power employer has over employee". The SWE market (where most H1s are employed) is so competitive that shmucks who run through 3 month bootcamps get 100k+ offers. The threat of being fired is not as effective as you think it is.
  - programmerslave 6y ago
    Most undergrad computer science graduates cannot find jobs right now
    - sjg007 6y ago
      Unless they aren't being offered interviews, it's probably because they can't code. I don't mean that in a bad way but programming is not a skill that is emphasized in most undergrad CS programs. It's kind of a catch22 but that's one reason we have these boot camps / tutorials etc...
      - lazyasciiart 6y ago
        Compared to normal years, my local impression is that kids about to graduate really aren't being offered interviews. And those who just finished a summer internship that would usually have led to a job offer mostly didn't get those job offers. It really sucks to be them.
        sjg007 6y ago
        The normal path back in the day was QA first then dev. Sometimes you could jump the line via an internship but it was rare.
    - safog 6y ago
      This is true, but this is literally right now under exceptional circumstances (hiring freezes, reduced head counts etc. while COVID progresses). The last time this was true was after '08 - '10 or so. I don't think grandparent comment is talking about the situation now, it was a more general comment about H1Bs under normal circumstances being forced to work long hours by employers under threat of job loss.
lovecg 6y ago
Well sure, all of this is true. But the other side of the coin is the myth of America built by scrappy immigrants. What country we want to be is probably at the core of this and many other issues. You can’t be both a worldwide magnet for hungry ambitious talent and an isolationist utopia with strong protections for local workers.
supercanuck 6y ago
You are kidding right? I managed interviews where the same person would perform the same interview with different names and you would interview a person and a different person would show up for work.
damnyou 6y ago
So give out ten times as many green cards and remove the restrictions. You don't want to do that? Oh, I see.

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whimsicalism 6y ago

> Important to note: the allegations, if true, probably only indirectly impacted you or me. In other words, we all failed our Facebook interviews the good ol fashion way - through incompetence - not unfairness. Not how labor markets work (: