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Isn't the ability to back out of the stack context basically half the point of stack operations? Without the LIFO behavior, it's not really a "stack" in any co

Isn't the ability to back out of the stack context basically half the point of stack operations? Without the LIFO behavior, it's not really a "stack" in any computational sense.

whatrocks 6y ago
You definitely can pop off the last layer in the loop stack, but my particular pedal seems to require another accessory in order to be able to do that (there's a separate pedal you attach to this one).
- chrisweekly 6y ago
  I've enjoyed my Boss RC-50 (a nice upgrade to the RC-20 I had prior) as a live-looping guitar + vocals pedal for years. It makes it easy to create and layer loops, even when only using the built-in foot controls. Highly recommended.
- chrissnell 6y ago
  I loved the song video in this post and it’s inspired me to try a little of this. Is there a good software solution for this? (Bonus points for Linux support)
Raro 6y ago
I like the suggestion of the analogy in general. But a metaphor I'd use is a feedback system with a very long delay and very low decay constant. So definitely cyclic from that perspective! The signal chain is often split by guitarists with a dedicated A/B box too. So a fuller analogy would be a more complex pipeline.
- whatrocks 6y ago
  Yeah, my analogy is definitely hampered by my novice-level guitar chops. I'm definitely intrigued by the idea of better understanding these complex signal pipelines. In fact, a usesthis.com style website that shows the pedal box arrangements and signal flow diagrams for various guitarists would be a website I'd quite enjoy visiting.
  - InitialLastName 6y ago
    Not guitar-oriented, but modulargrid.net has some big people on it (often obscured for security purposes). You can occasionally see guitarists' signal flows and stopbox arrays in interviews etc, but the truth is usually obscured by prestige, sponsorship concerns, and the logistics of touring.
    - Raro 6y ago
      Thank you for this. I am currently bread-boarding two guitar pedals for myself, and there is great discussion on modulargrid.net on filtering. > You can occasionally see guitarists' signal flows and stopbox arrays in interviews etc It's amazing how much influence these interviews have. They have, in the past, directly led to surges in demand for, e.g. the Klon Centaur and variacs.
      - InitialLastName 6y ago
        Trust me, people in the pedal-making industry know exactly how much influence those interviews have, and that's why they put so much effort into making those artists happy.
        bonzini 6y ago
        They don't make them "as happy" as you might imagine. Even a guitarist that is good enough to do European tours and get an endorsement deal will get discounts of 20% (on pretty expensive stuff for which they would have to fork out 2000 euros), maybe 30% on bespoke instruments that cost even more.
        InitialLastName 6y ago
        I'm not imagining, but a 20% endorsement deal and (in the cases I know about) a much more direct line to an artist rep for customer support in lieu of going through the customer support process isn't too bad. Hell, I've gone to shows for the sole purpose of hand-delivering the artist a replacement product.

Isn't the ability to back out of the stack context basically half the point of stack operations? Without the LIFO behavior, it's not really a "stack" in any computational sense.

whatrocks 6y ago

You definitely can pop off the last layer in the loop stack, but my particular pedal seems to require another accessory in order to be able to do that (there's a separate pedal you attach to this one).

chrisweekly 6y ago
I've enjoyed my Boss RC-50 (a nice upgrade to the RC-20 I had prior) as a live-looping guitar + vocals pedal for years. It makes it easy to create and layer loops, even when only using the built-in foot controls. Highly recommended.
chrissnell 6y ago
I loved the song video in this post and it’s inspired me to try a little of this. Is there a good software solution for this? (Bonus points for Linux support)

Raro 6y ago

I like the suggestion of the analogy in general. But a metaphor I'd use is a feedback system with a very long delay and very low decay constant. So definitely cyclic from that perspective! The signal chain is often split by guitarists with a dedicated A/B box too. So a fuller analogy would be a more complex pipeline.

whatrocks 6y ago
Yeah, my analogy is definitely hampered by my novice-level guitar chops. I'm definitely intrigued by the idea of better understanding these complex signal pipelines. In fact, a usesthis.com style website that shows the pedal box arrangements and signal flow diagrams for various guitarists would be a website I'd quite enjoy visiting.
- InitialLastName 6y ago
  Not guitar-oriented, but modulargrid.net has some big people on it (often obscured for security purposes). You can occasionally see guitarists' signal flows and stopbox arrays in interviews etc, but the truth is usually obscured by prestige, sponsorship concerns, and the logistics of touring.
  - Raro 6y ago
    Thank you for this. I am currently bread-boarding two guitar pedals for myself, and there is great discussion on modulargrid.net on filtering. > You can occasionally see guitarists' signal flows and stopbox arrays in interviews etc It's amazing how much influence these interviews have. They have, in the past, directly led to surges in demand for, e.g. the Klon Centaur and variacs.
    - InitialLastName 6y ago
      Trust me, people in the pedal-making industry know exactly how much influence those interviews have, and that's why they put so much effort into making those artists happy.
      - bonzini 6y ago
        They don't make them "as happy" as you might imagine. Even a guitarist that is good enough to do European tours and get an endorsement deal will get discounts of 20% (on pretty expensive stuff for which they would have to fork out 2000 euros), maybe 30% on bespoke instruments that cost even more.
        InitialLastName 6y ago
        I'm not imagining, but a 20% endorsement deal and (in the cases I know about) a much more direct line to an artist rep for customer support in lieu of going through the customer support process isn't too bad. Hell, I've gone to shows for the sole purpose of hand-delivering the artist a replacement product.