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Oh, do you honestly think such an "secretive, radical union cell" funded by "dark money" would be allowed to exist and interface with corporates? (words in scar

Oh, do you honestly think such an "secretive, radical union cell" funded by "dark money" would be allowed to exist and interface with corporates? (words in scare-quotes would be how this would be framed by employers and the media - they may or may not throw in foreign funding, Venezuela or China could get name-dropped with zero evidence).

mrtksn 6y ago
It doesn’t have to be secret, just your membership is secret. It can have open plan offices in a cool neighborhood, pay politicians and all. Just have centralized Emlpoyers information management system where information about employers, like salaries they pay business they do, the good and the bad to work there etc. So when you are getting a job you apply to your not-union and they tell you what to expect and how much to ask. No more guesswork. It’s like an HR that works for you. So it’s BR, businesses resources.
- Klinky 6y ago
  So it's like Glassdoor or Salary.com? That's not a union, that's not HR, that's not armed protection.
  - mrtksn 6y ago
    Are unions armed protection? Anyway, the idea is to have a coordinator that work on your benefit. Companies, even the large ones are simply people coordinated by the capital owners. The not-union is a coordinator for the people who are not the capital owners but those who deal with the capital owners. The aim is to assist for a fair deal through information, not to extort the capital owners.
    - chriswarbo 6y ago
      So...... a union?
    - mcguire 6y ago
      "Are unions armed protection?" Historically, yes, sometimes.
    - rualca 6y ago
      > The aim is to assist for a fair deal through information, not to extort the capital owners. This sounds similar to "the aim is to be good, not bad". Your assertion does not lie on facts but on your personal moral interpretation and even prejudice against a label. Unions are organizations whose aim is to represent workers and defend their best interests with the company's representatives. Sometimes the company's goals are in direct opposition to the workers's best interests. How do you expect the negotiations to go if the company plans to strong-arm and coherce their workers into submissions.
      - mrtksn 6y ago
        Well, this is not a union therefore doesn't match all the features and objectives. The not-union aims to relieve inherit disadvantages of individuals v.s. corporations while preserving individual freedoms and free market dynamics. Just like companies coming together to fix a price and specs of their products thus leaving consumers with no options, workers coming together to force their own preferences by leaving companies with no options is also unacceptable. If the unions actually do the things that you describe and people are happy with it, they should opt out for unions.
    - Klinky 6y ago
      Sounds like a talent agent. Sectors that utilize talent agents often still have strong collective bargaining agreements and unions in place. Part of the power of a union is the ability to deprive a business or industry of labor. A talent agent alone does not provide such leverage.
- mcguire 6y ago
  Then the companies begin to fire employees that they find are part of this system and hire organizations like the Pinkertons to infiltrate and destroy your business resource system.
  - mrtksn 6y ago
    They can fight back, of course but trying to destroy another company’s systems sounds super illegal. Fine, throw a bug bounty program.

mrtksn 6y ago

It doesn’t have to be secret, just your membership is secret. It can have open plan offices in a cool neighborhood, pay politicians and all. Just have centralized Emlpoyers information management system where information about employers, like salaries they pay business they do, the good and the bad to work there etc. So when you are getting a job you apply to your not-union and they tell you what to expect and how much to ask. No more guesswork. It’s like an HR that works for you. So it’s BR, businesses resources.

Klinky 6y ago
So it's like Glassdoor or Salary.com? That's not a union, that's not HR, that's not armed protection.
- mrtksn 6y ago
  Are unions armed protection? Anyway, the idea is to have a coordinator that work on your benefit. Companies, even the large ones are simply people coordinated by the capital owners. The not-union is a coordinator for the people who are not the capital owners but those who deal with the capital owners. The aim is to assist for a fair deal through information, not to extort the capital owners.
  - chriswarbo 6y ago
    So...... a union?
  - mcguire 6y ago
    "Are unions armed protection?" Historically, yes, sometimes.
  - rualca 6y ago
    > The aim is to assist for a fair deal through information, not to extort the capital owners. This sounds similar to "the aim is to be good, not bad". Your assertion does not lie on facts but on your personal moral interpretation and even prejudice against a label. Unions are organizations whose aim is to represent workers and defend their best interests with the company's representatives. Sometimes the company's goals are in direct opposition to the workers's best interests. How do you expect the negotiations to go if the company plans to strong-arm and coherce their workers into submissions.
    - mrtksn 6y ago
      Well, this is not a union therefore doesn't match all the features and objectives. The not-union aims to relieve inherit disadvantages of individuals v.s. corporations while preserving individual freedoms and free market dynamics. Just like companies coming together to fix a price and specs of their products thus leaving consumers with no options, workers coming together to force their own preferences by leaving companies with no options is also unacceptable. If the unions actually do the things that you describe and people are happy with it, they should opt out for unions.
  - Klinky 6y ago
    Sounds like a talent agent. Sectors that utilize talent agents often still have strong collective bargaining agreements and unions in place. Part of the power of a union is the ability to deprive a business or industry of labor. A talent agent alone does not provide such leverage.
mcguire 6y ago
Then the companies begin to fire employees that they find are part of this system and hire organizations like the Pinkertons to infiltrate and destroy your business resource system.
- mrtksn 6y ago
  They can fight back, of course but trying to destroy another company’s systems sounds super illegal. Fine, throw a bug bounty program.