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I dont understand it either. To me yes BTC supply is limited, but there are lots of cryptos so BTC is nothing special. The secret could be if lots of important

I dont understand it either. To me yes BTC supply is limited, but there are lots of cryptos so BTC is nothing special. The secret could be if lots of important and smart people are invested in BTC you have to trust that it will keep being special, and better than other cryptos. It sounds sketchy to me, but the network effect is real so there might be something in it. It seems lots of well known financial people are getting on board right now. It seems like a ponzi to me but those people aren't dumb.

JxLS-cpgbe0 6y ago
> It seems like a ponzi to me A Ponzi Scheme relies on a central authority, BTC by definition has none. Maybe you were trying to say "market manipulation" or "securities fraud?"
- x87678r 6y ago
  No definitely ponzi. Maybe a central authority is in the definition for ponzi, but I think this is exactly Ponzi without a CA. The whole thing isn't fraud or manipulation because again there is no one single owner, though looking at all the junk on social media there is definitely lots of both.
  - JxLS-cpgbe0 6y ago
    > this is exactly Ponzi without a CA Which would be...not a Ponzi Scheme. What makes you say that besides "junk on social media?"
    - x87678r 6y ago
      Honestly I think BTC matches this definition - just there is no organizer. Esp the last paragraph. https://www.investor.gov/introduction-investing/investing-basics/glossary/ponzi-schemes https://www.investor.gov/introduction-investing/investing-ba...
      - JxLS-cpgbe0 6y ago
        > there is no organizer So...not a Ponzi Scheme, by the definition you linked to > Ponzi used funds from new investors to pay fake “returns” to earlier investors > they use money from new investors to pay earlier investors and may steal some of the money for themselves There is no "Ponzi," no "they," no one "paying" anyone directly, no "stealing." It's about as far from a Ponzi Scheme as you can imagine. It's The Wizard of Lies without de Niro. If I go online and post "Apple stock is great!" and it makes someone buy AAPL, and I profit off that as a shareholder, is that a Ponzi scheme? No? Well BTC is that but without even the business to hold stock in. How could you possibly argue that was a Ponzi Scheme unless, say, you didn't know what that was before you googled it...

JxLS-cpgbe0 6y ago

> It seems like a ponzi to me A Ponzi Scheme relies on a central authority, BTC by definition has none. Maybe you were trying to say "market manipulation" or "securities fraud?"

x87678r 6y ago
No definitely ponzi. Maybe a central authority is in the definition for ponzi, but I think this is exactly Ponzi without a CA. The whole thing isn't fraud or manipulation because again there is no one single owner, though looking at all the junk on social media there is definitely lots of both.
- JxLS-cpgbe0 6y ago
  > this is exactly Ponzi without a CA Which would be...not a Ponzi Scheme. What makes you say that besides "junk on social media?"
  - x87678r 6y ago
    Honestly I think BTC matches this definition - just there is no organizer. Esp the last paragraph. https://www.investor.gov/introduction-investing/investing-basics/glossary/ponzi-schemes https://www.investor.gov/introduction-investing/investing-ba...
    - JxLS-cpgbe0 6y ago
      > there is no organizer So...not a Ponzi Scheme, by the definition you linked to > Ponzi used funds from new investors to pay fake “returns” to earlier investors > they use money from new investors to pay earlier investors and may steal some of the money for themselves There is no "Ponzi," no "they," no one "paying" anyone directly, no "stealing." It's about as far from a Ponzi Scheme as you can imagine. It's The Wizard of Lies without de Niro. If I go online and post "Apple stock is great!" and it makes someone buy AAPL, and I profit off that as a shareholder, is that a Ponzi scheme? No? Well BTC is that but without even the business to hold stock in. How could you possibly argue that was a Ponzi Scheme unless, say, you didn't know what that was before you googled it...