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It's not virtue signalling, it's awareness signalling. Wear the damn mask, and wear it properly. This tells the world that you get it, that you take it serious

It's not virtue signalling, it's awareness signalling. Wear the damn mask, and wear it properly. This tells the world that you get it, that you take it seriously, and that you're probably doing all the other trivial but necessary things also. Yes, it's slightly inconvenient. But generally no more so for you than for everyone else. So get over it. Also, use your turn signal, even if there are no other cars within 100 meters of you. Also, don't leave your shopping cart in the middle of the grocery aisle while deciding which product to select, even if no one else is presently trying to get past you. Do all the simple things that signal "it makes more sense to be courteous and clear, than to demonstrate disregard for others (whether purposeful or oblivious, because they are often hard to tell apart)".

iaHN 6y ago
You should direct your outrage towards people crowding in bars, constantly taking vacations, and attending large indoor church services.
- quesera 6y ago
  Absolutely. That is the height of stupidity, and if we had any real leadership here, the messaging would be clear. But if those people are going to be stupid in private, then I still want them to do all the CDC-recommended stuff in the places where we cross paths. If we could isolate those folks in their bars and churches and let them burn themselves out, I'd be OK with that. But they are in the grocery store the next day, wearing a mask around their chin because they care equally little in public as they do in private. So, if you are not one of those people, signal it by wearing the mask properly. ("you" in all of the foregoing is directed generally, not personally!)
just-juan-post 6y ago
> Also, use your turn signal, even if there are no other cars within 100 meters of you. You might be slightly unhinged my dude.
- ghaff 6y ago
  I actually sort of agree with always using turn signals, if not really the other point. There are a lot of behaviors that make sense to do reflexively because, if you have to think about whether to do them this time you may forget or incorrectly decide not to another time. Presumably you wouldn't think it was OK for them just to go through a red light because they don't see any other cars around.
- quesera 6y ago
  The idea is to establish the habit, so that you do it automatically every time, including the relatively few times where it really matters. It's easy, it's never harmful, frequently helpful, and occasionally saves lives. I ride motorcycles, so I have had more opportunity to think about the importance of turn signals than others might. But I also drive cars, and I believe the benefits are universal and have zero negative consequences, so I include this as a minimal-effort suggestion.
pwinnski 6y ago
In addition, it can be awfully hard to ensure that what started out as a well-distanced walk around the neighborhood remains well-distanced the entire time. When I'm walking early in the morning, I carry a mask with me in case I encounter other morning joggers/walkers and can't easily cross the street at the time.
- quesera 6y ago
  Emphatically yes. It's always possible that your assessment might be incomplete, or that the situation could change. If you can allow for that possibility, at low or zero up-front cost, then -- I don't know, maybe it's the adulthood speaking here, but -- why would one not do so? :)
- hnrodey 6y ago
  CDC specifically states that transmission occurs with prolonged (15+ minutes) contact in close quarters (less than six feet). I would love to see confirmed cases of transmission from merely walking by someone when outside. I seriously don’t get the pull up the mask thing when I walk by someone outside. I’m not going to do it and I have zero expectation the other person do that either.
  - quesera 6y ago
    > CDC specifically states that transmission occurs with prolonged (15+ minutes) contact in close quarters (less than six feet). No, that's not correct at all. But if I may take a guess at what you meant to write.. Those are guidelines based on estimated inflection points where more time or less distance increases the likelihood of transmission. They are presumed to be good-faith estimates, but they are based on difficult-to-collect data. It's probably reasonable to draw the conclusion that, if fully observed, the guidelines would drive R0 below 1.0 and the trendline would follow. But that doesn't mean that no transmission occurs in other situations. People sometimes sneeze unexpectedly. It takes a fraction of a second to put on the mask that prevents that event from becoming risky, or at least uncomfortable. Cheap insurance. It's also important to realize that "walking by someone while outside" can take many forms, so it's not clear that we're all talking about the same thing. Jogging on a narrow path is very different from strolling on a beach. Different measures are appropriate for different cases, but it's never harmful to use the mask, it's a reasonable habit to get into, and it makes people around you more comfortable. What's the trouble?

iaHN 6y ago

You should direct your outrage towards people crowding in bars, constantly taking vacations, and attending large indoor church services.

quesera 6y ago
Absolutely. That is the height of stupidity, and if we had any real leadership here, the messaging would be clear. But if those people are going to be stupid in private, then I still want them to do all the CDC-recommended stuff in the places where we cross paths. If we could isolate those folks in their bars and churches and let them burn themselves out, I'd be OK with that. But they are in the grocery store the next day, wearing a mask around their chin because they care equally little in public as they do in private. So, if you are not one of those people, signal it by wearing the mask properly. ("you" in all of the foregoing is directed generally, not personally!)

just-juan-post 6y ago

> Also, use your turn signal, even if there are no other cars within 100 meters of you. You might be slightly unhinged my dude.

ghaff 6y ago
I actually sort of agree with always using turn signals, if not really the other point. There are a lot of behaviors that make sense to do reflexively because, if you have to think about whether to do them this time you may forget or incorrectly decide not to another time. Presumably you wouldn't think it was OK for them just to go through a red light because they don't see any other cars around.
quesera 6y ago
The idea is to establish the habit, so that you do it automatically every time, including the relatively few times where it really matters. It's easy, it's never harmful, frequently helpful, and occasionally saves lives. I ride motorcycles, so I have had more opportunity to think about the importance of turn signals than others might. But I also drive cars, and I believe the benefits are universal and have zero negative consequences, so I include this as a minimal-effort suggestion.

pwinnski 6y ago

In addition, it can be awfully hard to ensure that what started out as a well-distanced walk around the neighborhood remains well-distanced the entire time. When I'm walking early in the morning, I carry a mask with me in case I encounter other morning joggers/walkers and can't easily cross the street at the time.

quesera 6y ago
Emphatically yes. It's always possible that your assessment might be incomplete, or that the situation could change. If you can allow for that possibility, at low or zero up-front cost, then -- I don't know, maybe it's the adulthood speaking here, but -- why would one not do so? :)
hnrodey 6y ago
CDC specifically states that transmission occurs with prolonged (15+ minutes) contact in close quarters (less than six feet). I would love to see confirmed cases of transmission from merely walking by someone when outside. I seriously don’t get the pull up the mask thing when I walk by someone outside. I’m not going to do it and I have zero expectation the other person do that either.
- quesera 6y ago
  > CDC specifically states that transmission occurs with prolonged (15+ minutes) contact in close quarters (less than six feet). No, that's not correct at all. But if I may take a guess at what you meant to write.. Those are guidelines based on estimated inflection points where more time or less distance increases the likelihood of transmission. They are presumed to be good-faith estimates, but they are based on difficult-to-collect data. It's probably reasonable to draw the conclusion that, if fully observed, the guidelines would drive R0 below 1.0 and the trendline would follow. But that doesn't mean that no transmission occurs in other situations. People sometimes sneeze unexpectedly. It takes a fraction of a second to put on the mask that prevents that event from becoming risky, or at least uncomfortable. Cheap insurance. It's also important to realize that "walking by someone while outside" can take many forms, so it's not clear that we're all talking about the same thing. Jogging on a narrow path is very different from strolling on a beach. Different measures are appropriate for different cases, but it's never harmful to use the mask, it's a reasonable habit to get into, and it makes people around you more comfortable. What's the trouble?