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What will those rooting for Google to fire James Damore have to say now? I bet there is a significant overlap of those supporting her now with those rooting for

What will those rooting for Google to fire James Damore have to say now? I bet there is a significant overlap of those supporting her now with those rooting for Damore's firing. And Damore didn't make any demand, just a memo. I see many support her (from a justified? knee jerk reaction?) that being fired from a corporation for questioning it's bottom line is due to the power dynamics. The support to Timnit Gebru (provided her demands are provably good, but only hurts google's bottom line) would be more powerful/rational if the same people will vocally support Damore. Even if supporting a worker being fired without complete information is a justified position to take based on corporate dynamics, some have started making this into ugly race issue. Some are `supporting` her in the lines of "She was black and hence was fired". If people are judging others as racist just based on tweets now, Jeff Dean seems the opposite of such smear. Even if Dean was a corporate zombie pulling the trigger to save the company bottomline, calling him racist for that without evidence for the latter is insane. There seems to be a sick trend in progressive politics in US to move away from supporting workers and start making everything into a race issue with no justification.

drewrv 6y ago
Damore was an engineer whose continued employment would open the company up to a risk of lawsuit. Gebru was an ethicist who was willing to resign over some deep concerns. Presumably ethical concerns. We don't know much more about Gebru's situation, but they're different enough that it's not a useful comparison.
- GhostofDamore 6y ago
  Both are Google Employees who got fired for rubbing their superiors in the wrong way. > whose continued employment would open the company up to a risk of lawsuit If protecting google from a lawsuit is your main concern, aren't you for firing her? The memo of James isn't as much a threat to bottom line or a lawsuit as unveiling some unethical practices (which she allegedly is up to due to her ethical concerns). My point is precisely you can't have it both ways and be consistent.
  - gerash 6y ago
    I didn't know Gebru much before her Twitter argument with LeCun. After that I didn't have much respect for her.
- _iyig 6y ago
  Damore kept his memo internal and did not circulate it widely. (It was leaked to the public in a calculated attempt to pressure Google into firing Damore.) As recently as last week, while she was still a Google employee, Gebru publicly accused her “privileged White men” bosses of racial bias: >Nothing like a bunch of privileged White men trying to squash research by marginalized communities for marginalized communities by ordering them to STOP with ZERO conversation. The amount of disrespect is incredible. Every time I think about it my blood starts boiling again. https://mobile.twitter.com/timnitGebru/status/1331757629996109824 https://mobile.twitter.com/timnitGebru/status/13317576299961... >But they are doing exactly the job of squashing marginalized people's voices which is their job. I at least hope no one tries to talk DEI and other things https://mobile.twitter.com/timnitGebru/status/1331772900693614593 https://mobile.twitter.com/timnitGebru/status/13317729006936... “Opinions my own” in her Twitter bio or not, as a manager, she should know better than to publicly accuse coworkers of bias against members of a protected class, particularly if she’s unwilling to make those same accusations in court. Public statements like that can lead to serious legal consequences for the company, not to mention repetutational damage for the accused, and should not be made lightly or without evidence.
  - joijoiwejrr 6y ago
    > the leaker was also fired Really? I never heard this, and I followed the Damore drama very closely at the time. It's an interesting detail; do you have a source?
    - _iyig 6y ago
      I had thought it was Tim Chevalier, who was indeed fired in connection to events surrounding the Damore memo, but a quick Google shows I have a faulty memory. Apparently he was fired for anti-Damore social media posts rather than leaking the memo in the first place. I have amended my original comment. https://www.bizjournals.com/sanjose/news/2018/02/22/lawsuit-google-engineer-fired-politics-liberal.html https://www.bizjournals.com/sanjose/news/2018/02/22/lawsuit-...
  - flippinburgers 6y ago
    She sounds really difficult to work with. The woke culture is breading a bunch of people who think they can just yell out racist anytime someone disagrees with them. Pretty pathetic if you ask me. Just look at how she immediately starts jumping to more sinister conclusions just because "white man": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1SXlK5rhR8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1SXlK5rhR8
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drewrv 6y ago

Damore was an engineer whose continued employment would open the company up to a risk of lawsuit. Gebru was an ethicist who was willing to resign over some deep concerns. Presumably ethical concerns. We don't know much more about Gebru's situation, but they're different enough that it's not a useful comparison.

GhostofDamore 6y ago
Both are Google Employees who got fired for rubbing their superiors in the wrong way. > whose continued employment would open the company up to a risk of lawsuit If protecting google from a lawsuit is your main concern, aren't you for firing her? The memo of James isn't as much a threat to bottom line or a lawsuit as unveiling some unethical practices (which she allegedly is up to due to her ethical concerns). My point is precisely you can't have it both ways and be consistent.
- gerash 6y ago
  I didn't know Gebru much before her Twitter argument with LeCun. After that I didn't have much respect for her.
_iyig 6y ago
Damore kept his memo internal and did not circulate it widely. (It was leaked to the public in a calculated attempt to pressure Google into firing Damore.) As recently as last week, while she was still a Google employee, Gebru publicly accused her “privileged White men” bosses of racial bias: >Nothing like a bunch of privileged White men trying to squash research by marginalized communities for marginalized communities by ordering them to STOP with ZERO conversation. The amount of disrespect is incredible. Every time I think about it my blood starts boiling again. https://mobile.twitter.com/timnitGebru/status/1331757629996109824 https://mobile.twitter.com/timnitGebru/status/13317576299961... >But they are doing exactly the job of squashing marginalized people's voices which is their job. I at least hope no one tries to talk DEI and other things https://mobile.twitter.com/timnitGebru/status/1331772900693614593 https://mobile.twitter.com/timnitGebru/status/13317729006936... “Opinions my own” in her Twitter bio or not, as a manager, she should know better than to publicly accuse coworkers of bias against members of a protected class, particularly if she’s unwilling to make those same accusations in court. Public statements like that can lead to serious legal consequences for the company, not to mention repetutational damage for the accused, and should not be made lightly or without evidence.
- joijoiwejrr 6y ago
  > the leaker was also fired Really? I never heard this, and I followed the Damore drama very closely at the time. It's an interesting detail; do you have a source?
  - _iyig 6y ago
    I had thought it was Tim Chevalier, who was indeed fired in connection to events surrounding the Damore memo, but a quick Google shows I have a faulty memory. Apparently he was fired for anti-Damore social media posts rather than leaking the memo in the first place. I have amended my original comment. https://www.bizjournals.com/sanjose/news/2018/02/22/lawsuit-google-engineer-fired-politics-liberal.html https://www.bizjournals.com/sanjose/news/2018/02/22/lawsuit-...
- flippinburgers 6y ago
  She sounds really difficult to work with. The woke culture is breading a bunch of people who think they can just yell out racist anytime someone disagrees with them. Pretty pathetic if you ask me. Just look at how she immediately starts jumping to more sinister conclusions just because "white man": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1SXlK5rhR8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1SXlK5rhR8

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