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It's mostly that there isn't a cheap discrete GPU worth buying. So if you're doing a software development rig, where yes those 12 or 16 cores will be put to goo

It's mostly that there isn't a cheap discrete GPU worth buying. So if you're doing a software development rig, where yes those 12 or 16 cores will be put to good use, you're stuck with spending $100+ on a new GPU that'll spend its entire life idling or scrounging the used markets. The low-end discretes are crap rebranded from 5+ years ago. Which means outdated display connections and bad hardware video decoders.

dijit 6y ago
I think we underestimate (or, overestimate) low end GPUs. a geforce 1030 will be adequately taxed on desktop loads: https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/geforce-gt-1030.c2954 https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/geforce-gt-1030.c2954 Can get them for 40eur, they barely do 1080p.
- KptMarchewa 6y ago
  You can't connect 2+ 4k/60fps monitors to it, which is the only thing I expect from non-gaming GPU, besides being silent.
  - Retric 6y ago
    Dual 4k/60fps is still very niche at this point. Last I checked the cheapest option is to just get 2 x 15$ graphics cards. The next low end graphics card refresh is expected in Q1 which should solve this for you.
    - kllrnohj 6y ago
      How about just dual any monitors? The GT 1030 only has a single HDMI 2.0B port and DVI which I haven't seen on a recent monitor in a while now. So 1 monitor connection from the last 10 years. And no display port connections, which is just wtf.
      - Retric 6y ago
        Even cheap 4K monitors like Samsung UR55 (260$) can handle DVI. You can go DVI to HDMI with either a 5$ adapter or a single DVI to HDMI cable. Only real difference is DVI doesn’t carry sound, but as long as one monitor has sound that’s irrelevant.
        kllrnohj 6y ago
        No it doesn't: "Number of DVI inputs 0" ( https://www.bestbuy.com/site/samsung-ur55-series-28-ips-4k-uhd-monitor-displayport-hdmi-dark-gray-blue/6386391.p?skuId=6386391 https://www.bestbuy.com/site/samsung-ur55-series-28-ips-4k-u... ) And the GT 1030 is only single-link DVI, not dual-link, so you can't even drive 2560x1600 with it. So it tops out at 2x 1080p monitors (or 1 high-res + 1 1080p secondary, whatever). Literally worse than GPUs from 10 years ago. Which since all I want a GT 1030 for is to drive monitors makes no sense at all.
        Retric 6y ago
        I meant it was backwards compatible with the protocol not that it had the physical connector on it. Even dual link DVI is rather bandwidth limited when you’re talking 4K resolution so having the physical port would be largely pointless. But, again the cheapest dual 4K/60fps video card costs more than buying 2 of the cheapest HDMI 2.0+ cards. Which is why graph is card companies don’t really cater to that market. Unless your case and motherboard only has slots for a single card it’s effectively a non issue.
  - dijit 6y ago
    Ok. But there are two things that you want to be true then “onboard graphics are a requirement” and “it needs to do dual screens at 4k60” I still don’t hear an argument here for having it all in one package. There are APUs in the Ryzen series, they perform worse, but everything is a trade off, you can’t have your cake and eat it. You can get new and adequate GPUs for less than 100eur which will do what you want and “won’t sit idle” because they’re taxed. This GPU would struggle with even 1 screen. I think you underestimate the load a desktop has on a GPU, 2D rendering isn’t “free” and can take a lot of CPU die space and add to the heat/power delivery issues of a modern cpu.
    - toast0 6y ago
      > There are APUs in the Ryzen series, they perform worse, but everything is a trade off, you can’t have your cake and eat it. From what I've seen, the APUs perform pretty similar to the CPUs they're derived from. The thing is the APUs are the last thing AMD releases, and the model numbers are confusing, and Zen2 APUs aren't widely available. Zen+ quad core isn't very exciting anymore, but it's the APU you can buy at retail in the US.
bserge 6y ago
I doubt anyone wants to make a sub-$100 GPU a la GTX 1650 when the demand is sky high for the chips... And what's wrong with buying a used card?
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me_me_me 6y ago
Nobody cares. That's really it. There is too few people that would want it, therefore its fiscally irresponsible to offer it. Is $100 really that much? Get a second hand gpu from 5 years ago for less. Those don't have issue with video though you might have to look for right connectors.
- SomeoneFromCA 6y ago
  If you want to get into corporate market, no company would spend extra $100 on GPU if you can have it integrated. I'd say vast majority of consumers really do not want separate GPU. I personally am very happy with Intel HDs on all my computers.

dijit 6y ago

I think we underestimate (or, overestimate) low end GPUs. a geforce 1030 will be adequately taxed on desktop loads: https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/geforce-gt-1030.c2954 https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/geforce-gt-1030.c2954 Can get them for 40eur, they barely do 1080p.

KptMarchewa 6y ago
You can't connect 2+ 4k/60fps monitors to it, which is the only thing I expect from non-gaming GPU, besides being silent.
- Retric 6y ago
  Dual 4k/60fps is still very niche at this point. Last I checked the cheapest option is to just get 2 x 15$ graphics cards. The next low end graphics card refresh is expected in Q1 which should solve this for you.
  - kllrnohj 6y ago
    How about just dual any monitors? The GT 1030 only has a single HDMI 2.0B port and DVI which I haven't seen on a recent monitor in a while now. So 1 monitor connection from the last 10 years. And no display port connections, which is just wtf.
    - Retric 6y ago
      Even cheap 4K monitors like Samsung UR55 (260$) can handle DVI. You can go DVI to HDMI with either a 5$ adapter or a single DVI to HDMI cable. Only real difference is DVI doesn’t carry sound, but as long as one monitor has sound that’s irrelevant.
      - kllrnohj 6y ago
        No it doesn't: "Number of DVI inputs 0" ( https://www.bestbuy.com/site/samsung-ur55-series-28-ips-4k-uhd-monitor-displayport-hdmi-dark-gray-blue/6386391.p?skuId=6386391 https://www.bestbuy.com/site/samsung-ur55-series-28-ips-4k-u... ) And the GT 1030 is only single-link DVI, not dual-link, so you can't even drive 2560x1600 with it. So it tops out at 2x 1080p monitors (or 1 high-res + 1 1080p secondary, whatever). Literally worse than GPUs from 10 years ago. Which since all I want a GT 1030 for is to drive monitors makes no sense at all.
        Retric 6y ago
        I meant it was backwards compatible with the protocol not that it had the physical connector on it. Even dual link DVI is rather bandwidth limited when you’re talking 4K resolution so having the physical port would be largely pointless. But, again the cheapest dual 4K/60fps video card costs more than buying 2 of the cheapest HDMI 2.0+ cards. Which is why graph is card companies don’t really cater to that market. Unless your case and motherboard only has slots for a single card it’s effectively a non issue.
- dijit 6y ago
  Ok. But there are two things that you want to be true then “onboard graphics are a requirement” and “it needs to do dual screens at 4k60” I still don’t hear an argument here for having it all in one package. There are APUs in the Ryzen series, they perform worse, but everything is a trade off, you can’t have your cake and eat it. You can get new and adequate GPUs for less than 100eur which will do what you want and “won’t sit idle” because they’re taxed. This GPU would struggle with even 1 screen. I think you underestimate the load a desktop has on a GPU, 2D rendering isn’t “free” and can take a lot of CPU die space and add to the heat/power delivery issues of a modern cpu.
  - toast0 6y ago
    > There are APUs in the Ryzen series, they perform worse, but everything is a trade off, you can’t have your cake and eat it. From what I've seen, the APUs perform pretty similar to the CPUs they're derived from. The thing is the APUs are the last thing AMD releases, and the model numbers are confusing, and Zen2 APUs aren't widely available. Zen+ quad core isn't very exciting anymore, but it's the APU you can buy at retail in the US.

bserge 6y ago

I doubt anyone wants to make a sub-$100 GPU a la GTX 1650 when the demand is sky high for the chips... And what's wrong with buying a used card?

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me_me_me 6y ago

Nobody cares. That's really it. There is too few people that would want it, therefore its fiscally irresponsible to offer it. Is $100 really that much? Get a second hand gpu from 5 years ago for less. Those don't have issue with video though you might have to look for right connectors.

SomeoneFromCA 6y ago
If you want to get into corporate market, no company would spend extra $100 on GPU if you can have it integrated. I'd say vast majority of consumers really do not want separate GPU. I personally am very happy with Intel HDs on all my computers.