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What sales, they hardly had any stock available. I've been trying since the release to get my hands on a Ryzen 5900x and they're sold out everywhere. I'm trying
by eloff 6y ago
What sales, they hardly had any stock available. I've been trying since the release to get my hands on a Ryzen 5900x and they're sold out everywhere. I'm trying to get on a waiting list for it now, fingers crossed that they can deliver before the new year.
- ben-schaaf 6y agoThe article states as much. Most of the sales aren't from 4th gen ryzen, though the 5600x has had a fair amount of sales.
- drivers99 6y agoI got a 5800X this week from my local MicroCenter to build a new system for Flight Simulator (they are sold out 5800X and 5900X or and 5000 series at all currently). Getting a new video card is also a problem.
- freedomben 6y agoYeah this has been a huge problem for me too. I'm about to just go Intel instead. I hope they ramp up production and don't miss out because I think a strong AMD would be a good thing. I can't wait forever to build my new rig though and I've been using Intel for decades so I have confidence in it. Excited to go AMD but I am building a new rig for a reason (my old one is in its death throes and I use this thing all day almost every day for work).
- eloff 6y agoMy old desktop is still a beast with a 10 core Xeon and 128GB of ram. I'm investing in a new rig to speed up my rust compiles. The current machine is 4 years old now, so I can afford to wait a few months for a build that will last me that long.
- toopok4k3 6y agoDo you actually get real RoI on that thing? Must have cost magnitudes more than normal desktop hardware. Or is this where you just accept that it's worth it purely for tingling the geek inside you?
- fmajid 6y agoA faster compiling machine is the difference between sustaining a state of flow critical to developer productivity, or not. Paying even $5000 for a desktop that yields probably a 2x improvement in productivity for someone paid at least $10K a month is a total no-brainer.
- chungus_khan 6y agoI think 2x improvement in productivity is a pretty optimistic number unless you don't write much code and mostly just compile it. In heavier workloads there certainly can be decent ROI though.
- usrusr 6y agoCompile time impact is a very non-linear thing. There's a narrow band that could be called the distraction threshold. An investment in faster hardware will give very small returns if you are already below that range and only moderate returns when so far above that the investments only gets you a little closer. But when the speedup crosses that narrow band or at least significant parts of it, it's a night and day difference.
- nivethan 6y agoIs there an average number for the distraction threshold or is each person pretty different?
- eloff 6y agoOnce it goes over about twenty seconds for me, I'm switching tasks or checking my email (or worse, HN.) Keeping that compile time down is critical to being productive.
- labawi 6y agoAnd the 24 Core 128G RAM machines are how we get bloated software... (not blaming anyone in particular)
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- KptMarchewa 6y ago>I hope they ramp up production Every high-performance CPU released lately uses TSMC for manufacturing, which can't keep up with demand. See Playstation 5/Xbox shortages, Ryzen and Radeon shortages. I think only Apple was able to secure enough manufacturing.
- Drew_ 6y agoWould Nvidia's shortages also fall in this bucket?
- 91edec 6y agoNvidia used samsung. Rumor has it that their shortage is because they sold their cards directly to cryptominers.
- Renaud 6y agoI believe this was debunked. The sales to cryptominers only represents a few percents of the total.
- gameswithgo 6y agoThat is stuff angry gamer kids make up to find a reason to be mad. The reality is that manufacturing is generally slowed due to covid, and demand is generally high due to covid, and nobody can keep up.
- awiesenhofer 6y agoIs mining on GPUs still something people do? Or can be done anywhere near profitable? I got the impression with ASICs that game was up.
- badLiveware 6y agoIt's for ASIC resistant currencies I believe
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- tpurves 6y agoIf you can hang on for a couple more weeks. Supply side is supposed to get a lot better on the AMD cpus by the last two weeks of december.
- arvinsim 6y agoIf you don't need the best single core performance, the cheaper Ryzen 3000 chips are still available.
- BuildTheRobots 6y agoAnd unlike intel they've been using the same sockets for the last 3 generations, so upgrading the CPU in future is actually a reasonable idea.
- klodolph 6y agoI assume Intel’s prioritizing their high-volume customers over retail channels.
- MichaelApproved 6y agoWhat’s this have to do with intel?
- Thaxll 6y agoI gave up getting a 5900x and went with a 5800x because I was tired waiting for it.
- merb 6y agoactually in germany you can't get your hands on ANY 5000X series chips. there is basically zero stock.
- enlyth 6y agoIt's quite frustrating that this is becoming the norm, whether it be the 3XXX Nvidia cards, Playstation 5s, Ryzen CPUs, why is it that no hardware company can keep up with demand these days?
- MivLives 6y agoScalpers aren't helping. I'd be super curious how many they've gotten vs normal customers.
- recursive 6y agoScalpers don't keep them. They redistribute them to normal customers.
- jjoonathan 6y ago...at elevated prices. "How much blood did the leech suck?" is a valid question. Dollars would be better units than number of video cards, but the number of video cards passing through the leeches correlates and is still meaningful.
- recursive 6y ago...at elevated prices ...that the buyers were willing to pay. All non-zero prices are elevated compared to zero. All parties are consenting here.
- noir_lord 6y agoSame with the Series X, I want one of the boy for Xmas, co-worker of my missus managed to get 5 of them, he wanted 650 for a console he paid 450 for. I told her to tell him where to shove it. It's not that I can't afford it, it's that scalpers can go fuck themselves, the boy will be more than happy with Quest 2 and my current gaming PC in the new year when I can build another.
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- fortran77 6y agoExactly. Intel is hardly being left "in the dust."
- fmajid 6y agoIn the enthusiast segment where people build their own machines, perhaps. AMD is yet to get traction in the mass volume corporate desktop/laptop markets, although they have also taken significant market share in the lucrative server market.
- SomeoneFromCA 6y agoCorporate desktop market is interested in exclusively cpu with integrated videos, cheap motherboards and low idle consumption. AMD fails in at least two of these points.
- robotnikman 6y agoI've noticed HP has been offering laptops now with AMD processors instead of Intel.
- qz2 6y agoYeah was going to buy a 5900X and an NVidia 3070. Can't get either so spent the cash I had lying around on an M1 Mac Mini to play with. Edit: I’m still going to buy the first two items at some point. But not yet.
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- TulliusCicero 6y agoSame deal with new GPU's from AMD and nVidia. Yes, it's really nice that there's more mipmaps than ever before, but that doesn't do me much good if I can't actually buy your thing.
- cillian64 6y agoThe fact that these products are out of stock everywhere implies more sales than if they were sitting on shelves.
- buzzerbetrayed 6y agoOr low supply. The RTX 3080 is impossible to find, but not because they have high sales. They just haven't made very many of them.
- TomVDB 6y agoCheck out the November Steam results. The RTX 3080 is already at 0.23%. After just 1 month. If you don’t think that’s impressive, compare it against some AMD GPUs like the 5700 or the 5600 XT, which has the same share. There’s a reason Nvidia’s quarterly gaming results where a blowout. https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/videocard/ https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/videocard/
- Erwin 6y agoOne of the several Danish retailers publishes their waiting list data: https://www.proshop.dk/RTX-30series-overview https://www.proshop.dk/RTX-30series-overview which are impressive -- just that one retailer received 3500 cards, 4300 clients have bought and not received them and they have ordered 24000 cards into their shop for future sales. And out of the 24,000 ordered, they only have confirmation for 860. This is large retailer, but once of a dozen in Denmark.
- DCKing 6y agoNot saying that's not impressive, but you had me thinking for a second that Nvidia was already going past AMD's previous top end card. But that's actually the 5700XT, which is 4.5x as popular as the RX5700 non-XT. The RX5700 is not as widely available in the first place if my understanding is correct. But yeah Nvidia in general has got the market for gamers pretty much cornered. People will go for Nvidia all the time if the price is the same ballpark. But it still has ways to go before it comes even close to its predecessors in the RTX 2080 and the RTX 2080 Super, both of which are about as popular as the RX5700XT.
- bayindirh 6y ago> What sales, they hardly had any stock available. Some people gave the same reaction when there were no EPYC processors available when they were first announced. Then we've learned that almost all of the production has ended in Google's, Dropbox's and other big tech's data centers. :)
- mdoms 6y agoThis is "no one drives in New York, there's too much traffic" levels of logic.
- sandworm101 6y agoNot really. There is an infinite available of cars that may be driven into NY. There is only a finite number of CPUs available. I have money and want a CPU but cannot get one. I doubt there is anyone in NY who cannot find a car for sale.
- mulletbum 6y agoLuckily there are a bunch of other CPUs for sale too.
- anyfoo 6y agoThe counterpart in this analogy is not the cars themselves, but the capacity of the streets to hold the cars.
- RobLach 6y agoI just checked a couple boutique builders and they’ve all got 5000 series Ryzens in stock.
- sandworm101 6y agoThen please share them. The small shops in Canada are reserving these chips for system builds, not as separate items. All the online options are only taking orders for future stock. If I want one of these before february I've been told to order from the US, with the associated costs/risks. https://www.nowinstock.net/ca/computers/processors/amd/full_history.php https://www.nowinstock.net/ca/computers/processors/amd/full_...
- peteradio 6y agoTo be fair the traffic is jammed. The traffic surge happened a while back. I guess these are "presales". Our economy is getting jitted, wonder how that will end up working.
- gwd 6y ago> What sales, they hardly had any stock available. Out of curiosity, are you trying to buy a chip, or a system? If the latter, is it possible that it's a problem with PC makers not assembling enough AMD systems, rather than AMD not making enough chips? I'm asking because for a long time Intel would have deals where they'd give PC manufacturers a hefty discount if AMD were less than 10% of their sales; such that the only way for AMD to make it worthwhile for HP / Dell / whoever to make more than 10% AMD systems would be to pay them to put their chips in machines (negative costs). They were taken to court over it and punished, but that doesn't mean they aren't doing it again. Particularly as apparently they're still saying what they did wasn't wrong in the first place: https://www.pcgamer.com/intel-is-still-fighting-a-10-year-old-euro106-billion-antitrust-fine-for-cpu-rebates/ https://www.pcgamer.com/intel-is-still-fighting-a-10-year-ol... EDIT: What's with the downvotes? Intel did a pretty despicable thing to AMD; it's documented in a court case. And they're still fighting to say that what they did was fine. I think people deserve to know about that kind of behavior, and I don't think it's unreasonable to ask if it's still going on.
- hutattedonmyarm 6y agoNot the person you replied to but: I’ve been trying to get the same one. No chance. Luckily the shop I ordered from has a queue system so I don’t have to hunt. Just today I got an email that their supplier is delayed the next shipment and they have no idea when anything is going to arrive
- eloff 6y agoIt's the chip in this case. Intel did a pretty dirty thing there, how they haven't been slapped down for abusing a monopoly is beyond me. Do antitrust laws have any teeth in the US anymore?
- llampx 6y agoNope. At some point geopolitics came into the picture and the US decided it was going to protect its own bigcorps at any cost. The hidden threat was (and is) that China would never do such a thing as punish its own big corporations for anticompetitive, unethical and illegal practices.
- 013a 6y ago> What sales, they hardly had any stock available. No one goes to Disney World anymore; its too crowded. And, no one buys AMD CPUs anymore, they're always sold out!
- eloff 6y agoIt's a supply side phenomenon, not demand side. AMD launched the 5900 with very little stock. To be fair the sales the article is discussing are most of the other product lines, and they mention the issue.
- zouhair 6y agoRight now there is nothing available CPU or GPU wise.
- scionthefly 6y agoWhere are you signing up? Micro Center won't do stock alerts or waiting lists.