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I submitted the same exact link 8 hours earlier. This HN behavior is very frustrating. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25285489 https://news.ycombinator.c

I submitted the same exact link 8 hours earlier. This HN behavior is very frustrating. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25285489 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25285489

ceejayoz 6y ago
Timing of HN submissions seems to matter a lot. And a little luck.
- IndySun 6y ago
  Is there a timing infographic? Or luck chart, for that matter?
  - ceejayoz 6y ago
    I feel like you might be unclear on the definition of luck.
  - simias 6y ago
    I think the trick is to post when west-coast America wakes up, more or less.
    - soneil 6y ago
      That's my impression too. The previous post currently says 11 hours ago, so by my count that's midnight NYC, 5am London. I know Australia exists, but overall that just gives it most the night to slide down the page before the majority wake up.
- tambourine_man 6y ago
  There should at least be a 24h window separating submissions of the same link.
  - xenocratus 6y ago
    Why? Is it more important for the "first person" to post it to get more internet points, or for more people to actually see the link?
    - tambourine_man 6y ago
      Both can happen at the same time if submissions within a window of 24h count as points to the original one. Try to submit this same link now and that's what will happen. This feature already exists, it's just that it seems too narrow of a window if it's only a few hours long.
neogodless 6y ago
To me, this is a community of people that want to share interesting topics and information, and contribute to that sharing and discussion. The greatest prize of all this is how much accurate and useful information we all get out of this. I've become a veritable encyclopedia, a proficient and effective software engineer, a resource on many topics for friends and family, and continue to be an enthusiast of computing software and hardware advances. There's no denying the part of our brain that gets a kick out of the internet points which reflect peer approval and respect. However, I will continue to hope to value the greater good that this community creates for all of us over the individual recognition that gives me a much shorter term buzz.
- tambourine_man 6y ago
  Wholeheartedly agree and couldn’t have said it better myself. Aside from the peer approval that you mentioned, I also enjoy the idea that I can somewhat steer the conversation and see what smart people have to say on the topics I’m most interested in.
reallydontask 6y ago
Whenever I've tried to submit an already submitted link, it takes me to that discussion on HN, so I wonder what people do to circumvent this
dang 6y ago
Yes, sorry—I know it's frustrating when a later submission 'wins'. The reason we allow reposts of articles that haven't had significant attention yet is that it's largely random what happens to get noticed on /newest, and we want to allow good articles multiple rolls of the dice. The priority is on the article, not who submitted it. That does make it a bit of a lottery, and it's winner-take-all. There are definitely better solutions possible, and it's on my list to work on that someday. We'll expand how karma is reward for submitting an article (HN could use some karma inflation anyhow) and find some way of grouping related submissions together. In the meantime, the lottery does at least even out in the long run if you keep posting good submissions.
- tambourine_man 6y ago
  Are people really harvesting links on /newest? You guys should know better of course, but I always thought what drove an article to the top was multiple people submitting the same link. That was my reasoning for a 24h window defining a submission. As for karma inflation, it's an interesting concept, but I don't know if I'd like that :)
  - dang 6y ago
    I don't know what you mean by harvesting links on /newest. Can you explain?
    - tambourine_man 6y ago
      Sorry, I meant that I for one don’t go to /newest often. And I didn’t imagine it was what drove most links to the top of the homepage. I always thought that many people submitting the same URLs was more influential.

I submitted the same exact link 8 hours earlier. This HN behavior is very frustrating. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25285489 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25285489

ceejayoz 6y ago

Timing of HN submissions seems to matter a lot. And a little luck.

IndySun 6y ago
Is there a timing infographic? Or luck chart, for that matter?
- ceejayoz 6y ago
  I feel like you might be unclear on the definition of luck.
- simias 6y ago
  I think the trick is to post when west-coast America wakes up, more or less.
  - soneil 6y ago
    That's my impression too. The previous post currently says 11 hours ago, so by my count that's midnight NYC, 5am London. I know Australia exists, but overall that just gives it most the night to slide down the page before the majority wake up.
tambourine_man 6y ago
There should at least be a 24h window separating submissions of the same link.
- xenocratus 6y ago
  Why? Is it more important for the "first person" to post it to get more internet points, or for more people to actually see the link?
  - tambourine_man 6y ago
    Both can happen at the same time if submissions within a window of 24h count as points to the original one. Try to submit this same link now and that's what will happen. This feature already exists, it's just that it seems too narrow of a window if it's only a few hours long.

neogodless 6y ago

To me, this is a community of people that want to share interesting topics and information, and contribute to that sharing and discussion. The greatest prize of all this is how much accurate and useful information we all get out of this. I've become a veritable encyclopedia, a proficient and effective software engineer, a resource on many topics for friends and family, and continue to be an enthusiast of computing software and hardware advances. There's no denying the part of our brain that gets a kick out of the internet points which reflect peer approval and respect. However, I will continue to hope to value the greater good that this community creates for all of us over the individual recognition that gives me a much shorter term buzz.

tambourine_man 6y ago
Wholeheartedly agree and couldn’t have said it better myself. Aside from the peer approval that you mentioned, I also enjoy the idea that I can somewhat steer the conversation and see what smart people have to say on the topics I’m most interested in.

reallydontask 6y ago

Whenever I've tried to submit an already submitted link, it takes me to that discussion on HN, so I wonder what people do to circumvent this

dang 6y ago

Yes, sorry—I know it's frustrating when a later submission 'wins'. The reason we allow reposts of articles that haven't had significant attention yet is that it's largely random what happens to get noticed on /newest, and we want to allow good articles multiple rolls of the dice. The priority is on the article, not who submitted it. That does make it a bit of a lottery, and it's winner-take-all. There are definitely better solutions possible, and it's on my list to work on that someday. We'll expand how karma is reward for submitting an article (HN could use some karma inflation anyhow) and find some way of grouping related submissions together. In the meantime, the lottery does at least even out in the long run if you keep posting good submissions.

tambourine_man 6y ago
Are people really harvesting links on /newest? You guys should know better of course, but I always thought what drove an article to the top was multiple people submitting the same link. That was my reasoning for a 24h window defining a submission. As for karma inflation, it's an interesting concept, but I don't know if I'd like that :)
- dang 6y ago
  I don't know what you mean by harvesting links on /newest. Can you explain?
  - tambourine_man 6y ago
    Sorry, I meant that I for one don’t go to /newest often. And I didn’t imagine it was what drove most links to the top of the homepage. I always thought that many people submitting the same URLs was more influential.