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a) Prosecutors in the US and EU allege that both Apple and Samsung did in fact participate in a nefarious scheme to get users to upgrade. I realize that Apple a

a) Prosecutors in the US and EU allege that both Apple and Samsung did in fact participate in a nefarious scheme to get users to upgrade. I realize that Apple and Samsung say they didn’t do that but I don’t think they are being honest. This thing where tech workers take tech companies at face value when said companies have repeatedly demonstrated their dishonesty is... really something. b) At any rate, “Apple deceitfully handicapped older products to cover up a more serious (but fixable) flaw, knowingly pushing customers into unnecessary upgrades” is really not any better than “Apple deceitfully handicapped older devices to push consumers into unnecessary upgrades.”

mullingitover 6y ago
I don't see why we should take prosecutors (who have their own goals and ambitions, operating in a political environment) at face value either. There's little to lose in pursuing a company with deep pockets, and a lot to gain.
- sorisos 6y ago
  What would they gain?
  - gwd 6y ago
    Well one former prosecutor recently became Vice President of the United States. In any case, District Attorney is an elected position on most places, and having a reputation for being tough on the "bad guys" is a good way to get re-elected.
- ojnabieoot 6y ago
  I would call this “being so skeptical that your brain falls out” since you could make the same argument (about either politics or money) with scientists, human rights advocates, programmers, etc. “Actually you can’t trust anybody and all viewpoints are equally suspect” isn’t as enlightened as you think. In this specific case Apple and Samsung have been proven dishonest and manipulative, and they have a far stronger legal/financial incentive to lie than separate groups of prosecutors in the US and many separate EU member states. I also find a conspiracy internal to Apple/Samsung much more plausible than a conspiracy across attorneys general from 34 US states.
  - mullingitover 6y ago
    > “Actually you can’t trust anybody and all viewpoints are equally suspect” isn’t as enlightened as you think. Only trusting viewpoints that agree with your personal biases isn't enlightened, either. > "In this specific case Apple and Samsung have been proven dishonest and manipulative" is an unvarnished falsehood. The throttling wasn't across the board, it was triggered in specific circumstances related to the state of the battery. There was never any evidence that this was a scheme to defraud customers.

mullingitover 6y ago

I don't see why we should take prosecutors (who have their own goals and ambitions, operating in a political environment) at face value either. There's little to lose in pursuing a company with deep pockets, and a lot to gain.

sorisos 6y ago
What would they gain?
- gwd 6y ago
  Well one former prosecutor recently became Vice President of the United States. In any case, District Attorney is an elected position on most places, and having a reputation for being tough on the "bad guys" is a good way to get re-elected.
ojnabieoot 6y ago
I would call this “being so skeptical that your brain falls out” since you could make the same argument (about either politics or money) with scientists, human rights advocates, programmers, etc. “Actually you can’t trust anybody and all viewpoints are equally suspect” isn’t as enlightened as you think. In this specific case Apple and Samsung have been proven dishonest and manipulative, and they have a far stronger legal/financial incentive to lie than separate groups of prosecutors in the US and many separate EU member states. I also find a conspiracy internal to Apple/Samsung much more plausible than a conspiracy across attorneys general from 34 US states.
- mullingitover 6y ago
  > “Actually you can’t trust anybody and all viewpoints are equally suspect” isn’t as enlightened as you think. Only trusting viewpoints that agree with your personal biases isn't enlightened, either. > "In this specific case Apple and Samsung have been proven dishonest and manipulative" is an unvarnished falsehood. The throttling wasn't across the board, it was triggered in specific circumstances related to the state of the battery. There was never any evidence that this was a scheme to defraud customers.