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So far 1.5M have died from COVID worldwide. Let's say that without a vaccine that number could be expected to grow to 10M or 20M. To prevent that outcome, we're

So far 1.5M have died from COVID worldwide. Let's say that without a vaccine that number could be expected to grow to 10M or 20M. To prevent that outcome, we're talking about giving vaccines to billions of people, most of whom are at very little risk from the virus, which use previously-unknown mechanisms to induce immunity, and whose long-term effects are completely unknown. It seems to me like there's not really serious calculation being applied to the risks of the latter course. It's just "stop COVID at all costs."

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esfandia 6y ago
Aren't they starting by giving the vaccines to the most vulnerable first though? For them, the risk is worth it. And those further down the list will get to wait and figure out the risks with the vaccine, if there are any.
- AndrewBissell 6y ago
  I'm definitely in favor of an approach like this. Yes, those who are at very high risk from the virus and have less to lose from complications around things like fertility should be able to make that decision for themselves.
AnonHP 6y ago
> which use previously-unknown mechanisms to induce immunity That would be the mRNA technology used by Pfizer and Moderna. The AstraZeneca vaccine uses known and tested mechanisms (though the payload is different).
sudeepj 6y ago
> we're talking about giving vaccines to billions of people But the same people will be affected due to economic headwinds (directly or indirectly) if vaccine is not available soon. So it is also a question of financial stability & bring confidence back of doing things normally.
- AndrewBissell 6y ago
  If those most at risk from the virus can be protected by the vaccine, why would there be any need for continued lockdowns and closures?
  - sudeepj 6y ago
    It will take time (months) to vaccinate the bulk of the population. In the meantime, you do not want more influx of patients to the hospital. After substantial population is vaccinated there should not be any need for lockdowns & closures.
    - AndrewBissell 6y ago
      But those most at risk are not "the bulk of the population," and the rest are very unlikely to need hospitalization. Again, why would lockdowns need to be maintained past the time necessary to vaccinate the high risk groups?

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esfandia 6y ago

Aren't they starting by giving the vaccines to the most vulnerable first though? For them, the risk is worth it. And those further down the list will get to wait and figure out the risks with the vaccine, if there are any.

AndrewBissell 6y ago
I'm definitely in favor of an approach like this. Yes, those who are at very high risk from the virus and have less to lose from complications around things like fertility should be able to make that decision for themselves.

AnonHP 6y ago

> which use previously-unknown mechanisms to induce immunity That would be the mRNA technology used by Pfizer and Moderna. The AstraZeneca vaccine uses known and tested mechanisms (though the payload is different).

sudeepj 6y ago

> we're talking about giving vaccines to billions of people But the same people will be affected due to economic headwinds (directly or indirectly) if vaccine is not available soon. So it is also a question of financial stability & bring confidence back of doing things normally.

AndrewBissell 6y ago
If those most at risk from the virus can be protected by the vaccine, why would there be any need for continued lockdowns and closures?
- sudeepj 6y ago
  It will take time (months) to vaccinate the bulk of the population. In the meantime, you do not want more influx of patients to the hospital. After substantial population is vaccinated there should not be any need for lockdowns & closures.
  - AndrewBissell 6y ago
    But those most at risk are not "the bulk of the population," and the rest are very unlikely to need hospitalization. Again, why would lockdowns need to be maintained past the time necessary to vaccinate the high risk groups?