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You forgot the whole "people are dying of it" thing Rabbi. If that wasn't the case and people just got blue hands for a day from exposure, we wouldn't be where
by ulfw 6y ago
You forgot the whole "people are dying of it" thing Rabbi. If that wasn't the case and people just got blue hands for a day from exposure, we wouldn't be where we are.
- CyberRabbi 6y agoPeople who are scared of dying can stay indoors and take rushed vaccines if they want, that doesn’t justify corrupting the law and trampling on everyone’s human rights.
- WalterBright 6y agoYou don't have to take the vaccine if you don't want to. Your rights aren't being trampled on.
- CyberRabbi 6y agoYes, my rights have been trampled on... I’ve had to close my coffee shop because the government says I cannot provide a service to people who willingly want it. And I lost my lease in October after taking multiple loans just hoping this would end, so now I roast coffee out of my house. This isn’t about individuals being “forced” to take the vaccine. policy is being made on a systemic level, either promote a traditionally undertested vaccine to the public, without their ability to seek damages, or restrict their rights to voluntarily gather and do business
- ulfw 6y agoOh look at you. If people would take the vaccine you condemn, they'd be able to come back to your coffee shop. But that's not what you want either it seems.
- CyberRabbi 6y agoI didn’t condemn any vaccine... I’m condemning the corruption of the legal process by removing people’s ability to seek damages from a vaccine and I’m condemning mandatory “lockdowns” that violate the rights of innocent people. The existence of a vaccine should absolutely have no effect on anyone’s ability to do business with anyone else. That should be their decision to make. My life has been ruined from this. I’m blown away that I have to state this in a liberal democracy.
- WalterBright 6y agoI don't see the connection between lockdowns and vaccine liability.
- CyberRabbi 6y agoThis thread is about the premise that the prevalence of the vaccine will allow the politicians to revoke the lockdowns.
- khuey 6y agoIf you don't take the "rushed vaccine" you don't need any legal recourse so what's the problem again?
- CyberRabbi 6y agoThe problem is the false binary public policy and the open violation of our human rights and the legal process.
- olliej 6y agoWhat rights are being violated? Or is it a violation of rights to disallow drunk driving? Is it a violation of rights to not allow murder?
- CyberRabbi 6y agoWhen you murder someone you violate the rights of an innocent person thus forfeiting your own rights.
- olliej 6y agoWhat about the people the selfish people kill? When the ICUs are filled with entitled asses and the nurses and doctors keep getting taken out by those entitled asses, what happens to the responsible people who actually followed basic rules of intro biology?
- CyberRabbi 6y agoYour premise is flawed: keeping our human rights intact naturally won’t result in the hospitals overflowing. If the virus is life-threatening (and I believe it is) then there is a natural disincentive to not taking necessary precautions and individuals will act accordingly, creating a positive systemic outcome. This is the basis of liberal democracy, we trust our citizens with freedom and this in turn results in better outcomes (esp innovation). Freedom isn’t something we do just because we’re “selfish” or it’s a luxury, it’s literally a better system. I would imply that you should have payed more attention in civics, thus insulting your intelligence but I prefer civil and respectful discourse. Ideas matter.
- yongjik 6y agoIn another comment you said the government prohibited you from selling coffee to willing patrons. I'm sorry to hear that, but think about that. People are/were literally going to a random coffee shop and stay among strangers in the middle of a pandemic. This pandemic clearly showed that telling people to "just use your common sense" in an once-in-a-lifetime crisis leads to disaster. Hardly surprising, when you think about it - we never tell employers/employees to "just use your common sense whether a particular construction job is dangerous," in fact we have elaborate rules to decide exactly what is dangerous, and a whole government department to enforce it, so why would a novel infectious disease that nobody has any hands-on experience any different?
- CyberRabbi 6y agoRecommend people wear masks, take vaccines and etc. I have no issue with that and I do it myself without hesitation. I have issue with making it mandatory. Especially forcing places of business to close down. People work construction jobs voluntarily. Voluntary is good. Let’s live in a voluntary collaboration-oriented society. We did, once.