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There are plenty of phone manufacturers with different operating systems on which you cannot distribute software outside of their approved method? Gosh, I didn'

There are plenty of phone manufacturers with different operating systems on which you cannot distribute software outside of their approved method? Gosh, I didn't know that, but y'know, I'm OK with hitting them with the hammer, too. And the fun part is this: I made my first post in this thread having in the past said that I really didn't mind the status quo but you've successfully convinced me that that hammer should be swung at them as hard as it possibly can be.

ericmay 6y ago
Opposite for me. The more people complain about Apple on hacker news or elsewhere because they aren’t making enough money and have to play by the App Store rules the more I know it’s the right thing and the more likely I am to buy an iPhone or new Mac. Especially because the arguments are so inconsistent and just come from generic mindshare. People don’t think. Apple Big! Apple bad! Conveniently ignoring that their business practices bring benefits to customers, they have extremely high brand loyalty and approvals, and are making money because people buy iPhones precisely because of the opposite reasons that you espouse here. I don’t get it. If you hate the iPhone and apple App Store philosophy why can’t you just buy a different phone? Put your money where your mouth is. Apple and the App Store suck? Prove it with your purchases. Don’t sit here and complain about a “monopoly” that makes developers a shit load of money. Ok how about this. If developers want a different store, they can all pay a fee to Apple to continue to develop new hardware and provide updates for iOS. Sounds fair to me.
- Apocryphon 6y ago
  You don't even need to compare Apple to other OEMs. Compare Apple to itself. On macOS, despite increasingly more stringent security policies, you are free to install apps and software outside of the App Store. Why should iOS be different? Why the inconsistency across Apple's own platforms? Is iOS somehow less secure than desktop and must only go through the App Store?
  - lawnchair_larry 6y ago
    It’s easier to jailbreak than complain.
    - Apocryphon 6y ago
      Non sequitur. That doesn’t explain any of the inconsistencies.
  - ericmay 6y ago
    Because one is a phone and the other is a computer? Or maybe because people want the two devices to be treated differently? Why would they be the same? I can’t install whatever I want on my Sony TV or my car. Why does an iPhone specifically have to do this?
    - Apocryphon 6y ago
      Smartphones are much more advanced computing devices than televisions or cars, to the point that they are a government-subsidized good for low-income citizens that was only recently ended by Ajit Pai (the Lifeline program). Perhaps modern basic necessities shouldn't be locked? Also, as others in this thread have pointed out, there's nothing saying that game consoles should be special and should be subject to digital locks. By the same token, perhaps there should be nothing preventing smart TVs and cars from being locked as well.

ericmay 6y ago

Opposite for me. The more people complain about Apple on hacker news or elsewhere because they aren’t making enough money and have to play by the App Store rules the more I know it’s the right thing and the more likely I am to buy an iPhone or new Mac. Especially because the arguments are so inconsistent and just come from generic mindshare. People don’t think. Apple Big! Apple bad! Conveniently ignoring that their business practices bring benefits to customers, they have extremely high brand loyalty and approvals, and are making money because people buy iPhones precisely because of the opposite reasons that you espouse here. I don’t get it. If you hate the iPhone and apple App Store philosophy why can’t you just buy a different phone? Put your money where your mouth is. Apple and the App Store suck? Prove it with your purchases. Don’t sit here and complain about a “monopoly” that makes developers a shit load of money. Ok how about this. If developers want a different store, they can all pay a fee to Apple to continue to develop new hardware and provide updates for iOS. Sounds fair to me.

Apocryphon 6y ago
You don't even need to compare Apple to other OEMs. Compare Apple to itself. On macOS, despite increasingly more stringent security policies, you are free to install apps and software outside of the App Store. Why should iOS be different? Why the inconsistency across Apple's own platforms? Is iOS somehow less secure than desktop and must only go through the App Store?
- lawnchair_larry 6y ago
  It’s easier to jailbreak than complain.
  - Apocryphon 6y ago
    Non sequitur. That doesn’t explain any of the inconsistencies.
- ericmay 6y ago
  Because one is a phone and the other is a computer? Or maybe because people want the two devices to be treated differently? Why would they be the same? I can’t install whatever I want on my Sony TV or my car. Why does an iPhone specifically have to do this?
  - Apocryphon 6y ago
    Smartphones are much more advanced computing devices than televisions or cars, to the point that they are a government-subsidized good for low-income citizens that was only recently ended by Ajit Pai (the Lifeline program). Perhaps modern basic necessities shouldn't be locked? Also, as others in this thread have pointed out, there's nothing saying that game consoles should be special and should be subject to digital locks. By the same token, perhaps there should be nothing preventing smart TVs and cars from being locked as well.