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> Exactly, legislation and legality is how well tell them what to do. What legislation do you propose? > I didn't demand govt-forced open APIs? Where did you

> Exactly, legislation and legality is how well tell them what to do. What legislation do you propose? > I didn't demand govt-forced open APIs? Where did you come up with that? OP’s comment, which you seem to be arguing in favor of. Apologies if I misinterpreted. > Either the corporation or the government has the power. Obviously. So long as there are anti-monopolistic practices in place, you can choose the corporation you want to interface with easily. Nothing is stopping OP from buying an Android phone, PinePhone, or Purism Librem 5. Governments are not something you can choose, not really, and giving them wholesale control of how corporations can create tech products is granting them an absurd level of power, especially when viable alternatives already exist on the free market.

manigandham 6y ago
Right-to-repair and freedom to install and operate apps without going through a single centrally-controlled app store. Here's a question: Should the wireless networks that your phone requires to function follow net neutrality? Why or why not?
paulryanrogers 6y ago
Apple is approaching a monopsony over phone profits. Given time it could hollow out the competition until there is no practical alternative.
zaptheimpaler 6y ago
This line of thinking about viable alternatives goes to extremes when you don’t consider the capabilities of average consumers and differences in quality of product. Like what the hell am I supposed to do on a purism libre that has 100x less apps of 1/10th the quality as iOS? It currently does not support signal, banking apps, maps, Spotify, slack, Feedly, pocket and millions more. Yes, a dev could potentially spend 100s of hours making shitty homegrown alternatives for every little app - this is a VERY long stretch. And even then 99% of people are not devs and will never ever ever do that. It’s like saying a horse is a viable alternative to a car. It’s not even in the same damn universe yet.
- xvector 6y ago
  Just because you don’t like the options on the market doesn’t mean they don’t exist. That’s life. You don’t get to force other people into developing something that perfectly fits your desires. For the record, the Librem 5 does indeed support many of those apps via Anbox.
  - meheleventyone 6y ago
    No ones talking about forcing anyone to develop any thing. We also need to stop talking about individual purchasing decisions as if they represent the broader market. The point is not that there are zero competitors in a monopolised market. It’s that those competitors suffer at the will of the monopoly and cannot bring viable competing products to market. Hence all the competitors outside of the big two in the mobile space having effectively zero market share combined. Far from forcing people to develop something anti-trust is design to increase competition by opening up the market. Offering more people the opportunity to build the innovative things they want and consumers the ability to choose. As we saw with the results in this happening to MS it works reasonably well.
  - zaptheimpaler 6y ago
    I didn’t say anything about forcing people to develop anything.. and yeah that’s life without legislation, but with the right laws it doesn’t have to be.

manigandham 6y ago

Right-to-repair and freedom to install and operate apps without going through a single centrally-controlled app store. Here's a question: Should the wireless networks that your phone requires to function follow net neutrality? Why or why not?

paulryanrogers 6y ago

Apple is approaching a monopsony over phone profits. Given time it could hollow out the competition until there is no practical alternative.

zaptheimpaler 6y ago

This line of thinking about viable alternatives goes to extremes when you don’t consider the capabilities of average consumers and differences in quality of product. Like what the hell am I supposed to do on a purism libre that has 100x less apps of 1/10th the quality as iOS? It currently does not support signal, banking apps, maps, Spotify, slack, Feedly, pocket and millions more. Yes, a dev could potentially spend 100s of hours making shitty homegrown alternatives for every little app - this is a VERY long stretch. And even then 99% of people are not devs and will never ever ever do that. It’s like saying a horse is a viable alternative to a car. It’s not even in the same damn universe yet.

xvector 6y ago
Just because you don’t like the options on the market doesn’t mean they don’t exist. That’s life. You don’t get to force other people into developing something that perfectly fits your desires. For the record, the Librem 5 does indeed support many of those apps via Anbox.
- meheleventyone 6y ago
  No ones talking about forcing anyone to develop any thing. We also need to stop talking about individual purchasing decisions as if they represent the broader market. The point is not that there are zero competitors in a monopolised market. It’s that those competitors suffer at the will of the monopoly and cannot bring viable competing products to market. Hence all the competitors outside of the big two in the mobile space having effectively zero market share combined. Far from forcing people to develop something anti-trust is design to increase competition by opening up the market. Offering more people the opportunity to build the innovative things they want and consumers the ability to choose. As we saw with the results in this happening to MS it works reasonably well.
- zaptheimpaler 6y ago
  I didn’t say anything about forcing people to develop anything.. and yeah that’s life without legislation, but with the right laws it doesn’t have to be.