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You are assuming causality here. You can't know that with associative studies. All epidemics follow a natural curve where the pathogen initially spreads expone
by __blockcipher__ 6y ago
You are assuming causality here. You can't know that with associative studies.
All epidemics follow a natural curve where the pathogen initially spreads exponentially, but slows down over time as R(t) decreases due to the increased presence of population immunity. That creates a natural drop-off, and given that mandates and other "public health" responses tend to occur late in the cycle, it gives the impression that the natural drop-off is attributable to the intervention. It's rarely the case that it truly is. (By the way, if you look when they reverted to orange and then yellow the spread did not pick back up, which supports what I'm saying about this just being the natural epidemic curve)
If we want to talk masks specifically, the evidence that outdoors transmission of COVID-19 is rare anyway, and furthermore the purported mechanism of action of masks only works if (a) large respiratory droplets are the primary transmission mechanism as supposed to aerosol spread, and (b) people follow rigorous protocols to avoid contamination of the mask or from the mask. (b) is certainly not true, and (a) is likely not true when you look at the overall evidence of how viral spread (and specifically SARS-CoV-2) spread occurs.
Indeed, if the primary transmission mechanism is aerosol, masking could and likely would worsen transmission. The logic is pretty simple: masked individuals breathe more deeply to get the same amount of oxygen as an unmasked individual (this has been shown in numerous studies due to the local co2 buildup), meaning masked individuals move a greater net volume of air. Given masks cannot filter out aerosols, that greater volume of air will translate to worsened spread. This is made worse by the fact that when speaking to another individual, you have to speak louder for them to hear you through the mask.
(Sticking with the aerosol reasoning, there is one possible tiny benefit which is the masks still do alter the path of the aerosol; it smokes out and around the mask wearer rather than it being as directed as unmasked aerosol. But it's a very minor effect at best. You can look at any of the many videos of someone hitting a vape and then exhaling out of their cloth mask/surgical mask/bandana and you'll see what I mean)
So, in conclusion, no it's really not as simple as you're alleging, and this type of tenuous speculative post hoc ergo propter hoc reasoning is all too common these days unfortunately.
- flukus 6y ago> All epidemics follow a natural curve where the pathogen initially spreads exponentially, but slows down over time as R(t) decreases due to the increased presence of population immunity. We were absolutely no where near this point, we have one of the lowest infection rates in the world and other interventions (lockdowns) had happened weeks earlier. > If we want to talk masks specifically, given the evidence that outdoors transmission of COVID-19 is rare anyway Outdoor transmission may be rare, but this was a political decision so we could get to near 100% conformity > and (b) people follow rigorous protocols to avoid contamination of the mask or from the mask. (b) is certainly not true On the contrary, I just posted real world data that clearly demonstrates that mask discipline isn't very important. Maybe it's important under lab conditions but in the real world it's not. > Indeed, if the primary transmission mechanism is aerosol, masking could and likely would worsen transmission. So why did the reproduction rate fall and not rise after masks were introduced?