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>Perhaps to counter promoters who habitually resort to deception, as observed even in the august pages of HN? This "because the other side lies we need to too"

>Perhaps to counter promoters who habitually resort to deception, as observed even in the august pages of HN? This "because the other side lies we need to too" excuse is nonsense. If nuclear power is a "massive publicly subsidized boondoggle" then you should be able to show a clear advantage without resorting to deception.

ncmncm 6y ago
In some circumstances, the facts and truth carry no weight, and outcomes depend on who promises more. Such circumstances are reliably identified anywhere retail fission power got built.
- boomboomsubban 6y ago
  You keep saying things like the deception of the nuclear industry can be "reliably identified" yet you seem unable to provide any support for these claims. You then willingly turn a blind eye to the deception of the renewables industry, and your only attempt to defend this practice is to throw more mud at the nuclear industry. I just can not understand this position.
  - ncmncm 6y ago
    There is no controversy over the fact that fission plants have always, right from the very first one, been more expensive than mature alternatives, often much more. Still, nuke plants got built, and still operate. Why? Promoters insisted they would not be more expensive, and would in fact be cheaper, knowing full well (as was revealed later) that they would not. Thus, the only reason nuke, and lately coal, plants continue operating is corruption. Most recently, details leaked of what happened in Ohio to keep theirs operating, involving $millions in bribes in exchange for $billions in public subsidies. So this "can not understand" is not convincing. The facts are public for anybody who cares to learn them. Protestations of innocence ring hollow. There is no one left to fool.
    - boomboomsubban 6y ago
      You are blindly trusting the "facts" one side alleges while claiming the other side does nothing but shamelessly lie to fill their own pockets. That is what I can not understand. Stating there is no controversy in this position is ridiculous.

ncmncm 6y ago

In some circumstances, the facts and truth carry no weight, and outcomes depend on who promises more. Such circumstances are reliably identified anywhere retail fission power got built.

boomboomsubban 6y ago
You keep saying things like the deception of the nuclear industry can be "reliably identified" yet you seem unable to provide any support for these claims. You then willingly turn a blind eye to the deception of the renewables industry, and your only attempt to defend this practice is to throw more mud at the nuclear industry. I just can not understand this position.
- ncmncm 6y ago
  There is no controversy over the fact that fission plants have always, right from the very first one, been more expensive than mature alternatives, often much more. Still, nuke plants got built, and still operate. Why? Promoters insisted they would not be more expensive, and would in fact be cheaper, knowing full well (as was revealed later) that they would not. Thus, the only reason nuke, and lately coal, plants continue operating is corruption. Most recently, details leaked of what happened in Ohio to keep theirs operating, involving $millions in bribes in exchange for $billions in public subsidies. So this "can not understand" is not convincing. The facts are public for anybody who cares to learn them. Protestations of innocence ring hollow. There is no one left to fool.
  - boomboomsubban 6y ago
    You are blindly trusting the "facts" one side alleges while claiming the other side does nothing but shamelessly lie to fill their own pockets. That is what I can not understand. Stating there is no controversy in this position is ridiculous.