5 ms·

Uh, no. Nope. Google has been suppressing wages progressively for years. They made an illegal no poach agreement with their peers that led to one of the largest

Uh, no. Nope. Google has been suppressing wages progressively for years. They made an illegal no poach agreement with their peers that led to one of the largest settlements in history. Just this past cycle they pushed down compensation for top performers. There was an internal slide deck someone found where they laid out plans to reduce pay by slowing down promo to senior levels. A union would mean the ability to negotiate as a group rather than just taking whatever Google decided to offer us.

drstewart 6y ago
Uh, no. Nope. http://levels.fyi http://levels.fyi will prove you wrong.
- bichiliad 6y ago
  The fact that google is suppressing wages today won't show up on levels.fyi today. It will show up 5 years from now, and by then it'll be a lot harder to unionize.
  - drstewart 6y ago
    He says it's been happening for years so it should already be showing up. Care to prove it?
    - bichiliad 6y ago
      The point is that they've had anti-wage practices for years, but that they recently reduced top-level payout. I'm not able to find a year-by-year comparison for pay bands at Google on levels.fyi, so I'm not sure what your point is with that site. I don't work at Google, so proving that Google specifically is cutting wages isn't something I'm able to do. At the same time, I don't think you need to prove that Google's incentivized to maximize profits. They're a publicly traded company; there will always be motivation for them to reduce costs. If you're in search of proof, the anti-poaching lawsuit[0] is not something to take lightly. And either way, I don't see you bringing up any strong arguments against collective action. Just because Google might not be doing something to reduce compensation right this second doesn't mean they don't have the power to do that in the future. [0]:https://www.cnet.com/news/apple-google-others-settle-anti-poaching-lawsuit-for-415-million/ https://www.cnet.com/news/apple-google-others-settle-anti-po...
lawnchair_larry 6y ago
> A union would mean the ability to negotiate as a group rather than just taking whatever Google decided to offer us. One of the highest salaries on the planet, and they still have several competitors? Yeah, this is very short sighted. The system works, and tech employees need unions for salary negotiations less than nearly everybody. This doesn’t end how you hope, and just reeks of unearned entitlement. If you don’t like the offer, don’t work there. Nobody owes you anything.
- Ericson2314 6y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knights_of_Labor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knights_of_Labor how about how you learn some labor history, and how organization efforts spearheaded by the most privileged workers, however odious in some respect, did beget trends good for all.
  - drstewart 6y ago
    Here's some more labor history for you: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Hoffa https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Hoffa
    - DangitBobby 6y ago
      Is this supposed to convince people that unions are bad?
      - drstewart 6y ago
        It's almost as if single links to Wikipedia don't really prove anything, isn't it?

drstewart 6y ago

Uh, no. Nope. http://levels.fyi http://levels.fyi will prove you wrong.

bichiliad 6y ago
The fact that google is suppressing wages today won't show up on levels.fyi today. It will show up 5 years from now, and by then it'll be a lot harder to unionize.
- drstewart 6y ago
  He says it's been happening for years so it should already be showing up. Care to prove it?
  - bichiliad 6y ago
    The point is that they've had anti-wage practices for years, but that they recently reduced top-level payout. I'm not able to find a year-by-year comparison for pay bands at Google on levels.fyi, so I'm not sure what your point is with that site. I don't work at Google, so proving that Google specifically is cutting wages isn't something I'm able to do. At the same time, I don't think you need to prove that Google's incentivized to maximize profits. They're a publicly traded company; there will always be motivation for them to reduce costs. If you're in search of proof, the anti-poaching lawsuit[0] is not something to take lightly. And either way, I don't see you bringing up any strong arguments against collective action. Just because Google might not be doing something to reduce compensation right this second doesn't mean they don't have the power to do that in the future. [0]:https://www.cnet.com/news/apple-google-others-settle-anti-poaching-lawsuit-for-415-million/ https://www.cnet.com/news/apple-google-others-settle-anti-po...

lawnchair_larry 6y ago

> A union would mean the ability to negotiate as a group rather than just taking whatever Google decided to offer us. One of the highest salaries on the planet, and they still have several competitors? Yeah, this is very short sighted. The system works, and tech employees need unions for salary negotiations less than nearly everybody. This doesn’t end how you hope, and just reeks of unearned entitlement. If you don’t like the offer, don’t work there. Nobody owes you anything.

Ericson2314 6y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knights_of_Labor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knights_of_Labor how about how you learn some labor history, and how organization efforts spearheaded by the most privileged workers, however odious in some respect, did beget trends good for all.
- drstewart 6y ago
  Here's some more labor history for you: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Hoffa https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Hoffa
  - DangitBobby 6y ago
    Is this supposed to convince people that unions are bad?
    - drstewart 6y ago
      It's almost as if single links to Wikipedia don't really prove anything, isn't it?