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Or you can read it as "social pressure to do something for your entire life that you don't really want to do."

by kiddico 6y ago

iratewizard 6y ago
Like work?
- kiddico 6y ago
  No, like work you want to do. Imagine everyone around you is allowed the opportunity to choose their career. You however are the son of a plumber, and have no choice but to be a plumber. This plumbing business is 1000 years old! Why throw away the family name?! Well, because I'd rather not be a plumber and I'm perfectly capable of something else.
  - ardy42 6y ago
    > No, like work you want to do. It doesn't work like that for most people. > Imagine everyone around you is allowed the opportunity to choose their career. You however are the son of a plumber, and have no choice but to be a plumber. Many people end up doing something similar to their parents. Maybe you won't be a plumber if your dads is one, but it's far more likely you'd be a blue-collar tradesman than a doctor. It's also far more likely that a doctor's one will become a doctor or a lawyer than an electrician. Also, IMHO, this idea that the path to satisfaction by pursuing some kind of dream profession is a fairy tale.
    - greggman3 6y ago
      Sounds like you didn't find yours. I know plenty of people that did find their dream profession so it's might not happen to everyone but it's factually not a fairy tale
  - eeZah7Ux 6y ago
    It's not that simple.
    - iratewizard 6y ago
      It is for the simple minded
Barrin92 6y ago
that's what maturation into adulthood is, taking responsibility for social institutions that are larger than oneself and endure longer than oneself, rather than being a 35 year old owning nothing and playing paintball, which is, in contrast to the business culture on display here the future sold to us by the beloved SV companies. Most of which if I had to bet will not last longer than this store.
- threatofrain 6y ago
  Maturity means different things for people at different income levels. I've seen young children mature by managing a real estate portfolio, and then moving onto greater relations and responsibilities. I've seen other children mature by rotting in a failing Filipino bakery.
  - Barrin92 6y ago
    maturity has nothing to do with your income level. Maturation is the integration of the individual into a community and the establishment of mutual responsibility. You can be livelong rich and at the age of 70 have not progressed one day at all, and you can be poor and be well integrated. The purpose of these Japanese companies is the latter, integrate into society in a way that strengthens the community they surround. The purpose of SV is the opposite, advocate a culture of individualism, 'disruption' and 'freedom', and then sell you an anti-anxiety smartphone app with a subscription service because you're lonely.
    - greggman3 6y ago
      Japanese companies massively exploit their employees and the presidents often live like kings. They might not get an SV salary but they get an expense account, cars, vacation homes, and other perks all provided by the company. Meanwhile their employees get paid shit and work 10-12hr days and don't get paid overtime. I'd chose SV over that anytime. SV at least pays on average 6x what a similar employee makes in Japan and effectively treats their staff like royalty. Flex hours, lots of vacation, space, good equipment, breaks, gyms, meals, etc...
munificent 6y ago
That's true. But at the same time, for many people, what they want to do is to carry on a legacy and contribute to something larger than themselves. A culture that forces all young people to build from scratch denies those opportunities just as surely as a culture that forces everyone to follow in their parent' footsteps denies opportunities to start afresh.
- lostcolony 6y ago
  I think it really depends on the legacy. I mean...how many of the misty eyed people commenting are doing the same thing one of their parents do/did, or wishing they were? I certainly am not.
  - munificent 6y ago
    I am not either. But I also would not want to make any moral claims that would make it harder for those who do want to follow some legacy. And, honestly, my disconnection to my past and structures larger than myself is a source of unhappiness for me. I don't know if I would necessarily advocate for my own life choices. I think I made the best choices I could at the time based on what I knew then, but there are real downsides to building a life more or less from scratch.

Or you can read it as "social pressure to do something for your entire life that you don't really want to do."

iratewizard 6y ago

Like work?

kiddico 6y ago
No, like work you want to do. Imagine everyone around you is allowed the opportunity to choose their career. You however are the son of a plumber, and have no choice but to be a plumber. This plumbing business is 1000 years old! Why throw away the family name?! Well, because I'd rather not be a plumber and I'm perfectly capable of something else.
- ardy42 6y ago
  > No, like work you want to do. It doesn't work like that for most people. > Imagine everyone around you is allowed the opportunity to choose their career. You however are the son of a plumber, and have no choice but to be a plumber. Many people end up doing something similar to their parents. Maybe you won't be a plumber if your dads is one, but it's far more likely you'd be a blue-collar tradesman than a doctor. It's also far more likely that a doctor's one will become a doctor or a lawyer than an electrician. Also, IMHO, this idea that the path to satisfaction by pursuing some kind of dream profession is a fairy tale.
  - greggman3 6y ago
    Sounds like you didn't find yours. I know plenty of people that did find their dream profession so it's might not happen to everyone but it's factually not a fairy tale
- eeZah7Ux 6y ago
  It's not that simple.
  - iratewizard 6y ago
    It is for the simple minded

Barrin92 6y ago

that's what maturation into adulthood is, taking responsibility for social institutions that are larger than oneself and endure longer than oneself, rather than being a 35 year old owning nothing and playing paintball, which is, in contrast to the business culture on display here the future sold to us by the beloved SV companies. Most of which if I had to bet will not last longer than this store.

threatofrain 6y ago
Maturity means different things for people at different income levels. I've seen young children mature by managing a real estate portfolio, and then moving onto greater relations and responsibilities. I've seen other children mature by rotting in a failing Filipino bakery.
- Barrin92 6y ago
  maturity has nothing to do with your income level. Maturation is the integration of the individual into a community and the establishment of mutual responsibility. You can be livelong rich and at the age of 70 have not progressed one day at all, and you can be poor and be well integrated. The purpose of these Japanese companies is the latter, integrate into society in a way that strengthens the community they surround. The purpose of SV is the opposite, advocate a culture of individualism, 'disruption' and 'freedom', and then sell you an anti-anxiety smartphone app with a subscription service because you're lonely.
  - greggman3 6y ago
    Japanese companies massively exploit their employees and the presidents often live like kings. They might not get an SV salary but they get an expense account, cars, vacation homes, and other perks all provided by the company. Meanwhile their employees get paid shit and work 10-12hr days and don't get paid overtime. I'd chose SV over that anytime. SV at least pays on average 6x what a similar employee makes in Japan and effectively treats their staff like royalty. Flex hours, lots of vacation, space, good equipment, breaks, gyms, meals, etc...

munificent 6y ago

That's true. But at the same time, for many people, what they want to do is to carry on a legacy and contribute to something larger than themselves. A culture that forces all young people to build from scratch denies those opportunities just as surely as a culture that forces everyone to follow in their parent' footsteps denies opportunities to start afresh.

lostcolony 6y ago
I think it really depends on the legacy. I mean...how many of the misty eyed people commenting are doing the same thing one of their parents do/did, or wishing they were? I certainly am not.
- munificent 6y ago
  I am not either. But I also would not want to make any moral claims that would make it harder for those who do want to follow some legacy. And, honestly, my disconnection to my past and structures larger than myself is a source of unhappiness for me. I don't know if I would necessarily advocate for my own life choices. I think I made the best choices I could at the time based on what I knew then, but there are real downsides to building a life more or less from scratch.