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It looks like they drain 1/3 of the blood of 500k crabs a year and use 1m crabs as bait a year. Why can't they just take 100% of the blood of 500k/3 crabs a yea

by yrral 6y ago

It looks like they drain 1/3 of the blood of 500k crabs a year and use 1m crabs as bait a year. Why can't they just take 100% of the blood of 500k/3 crabs a year and then give those crabs to be used as bait?

xutopia 6y ago
This right here is smart. Maybe there are good reasons why that isn't possible but in the mean time we should be asking that question.
hangonhn 6y ago
I think it's one of those convenient lies we tell ourselves so we can all feel better but doesn't survive real scrutiny. Saying 500k crabs will be drained with most of them surviving sounds better than 175k dies for sure... and we are giving the dead bodies to the fishing industry. The math is going to work out to be the same in the long run (and in fact better in your scheme) but one sounds better as a one-liner than the other.
- exolymph 6y ago
  That doesn't pass the smell test. We keep animals in effectively torture-houses then kill them to eat them. I doubt that anyone would actually give a fuck if they just killed a bunch of horseshoe crabs. I mean, like, vegans would, but vegans' concerns are already ignored by everybody else.
  - ajsnigrutin 6y ago
    I mean.... we do try to use literally every part of those animals we kill, from their tenderloin to their skin and bones. If we're killing 175k crabs per year, it'd still be better to use their bodies for bait (if the alternative is to throw them away, and kill another 175k + the rest for bait).
  - Ericson2314 6y ago
    Neverminding the ethics, it would perhaps be ecologically better if we could farm horseshoe crabs, and fine-tune the bleeding regimen to manage the externalities as one does with lumber and forestry.
  - wonderwonder 6y ago
    Exactly, this just appears to be a war of well monied groups. Group A makes a billion a year bleeding horseshoe crabs and group B wants in on that and has come up with a synthetic alternative. The group that wins will be the one that lobbies the best. This round appears to have gone to the horseshoe crab bleeders. The proponents of the synthetic alternative most likely have financial incentive to do so.
  - inakarmacoma 6y ago
    Maybe a drained crab makes poor bait?
heavenlyblue 6y ago
Probably because the bloodless crabs start immediately decomposing
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pkAbstract 6y ago
Are "100%" drained crabs are effective bait?

by yrral 6y ago

xutopia 6y ago

This right here is smart. Maybe there are good reasons why that isn't possible but in the mean time we should be asking that question.

hangonhn 6y ago

I think it's one of those convenient lies we tell ourselves so we can all feel better but doesn't survive real scrutiny. Saying 500k crabs will be drained with most of them surviving sounds better than 175k dies for sure... and we are giving the dead bodies to the fishing industry. The math is going to work out to be the same in the long run (and in fact better in your scheme) but one sounds better as a one-liner than the other.

exolymph 6y ago
That doesn't pass the smell test. We keep animals in effectively torture-houses then kill them to eat them. I doubt that anyone would actually give a fuck if they just killed a bunch of horseshoe crabs. I mean, like, vegans would, but vegans' concerns are already ignored by everybody else.
- ajsnigrutin 6y ago
  I mean.... we do try to use literally every part of those animals we kill, from their tenderloin to their skin and bones. If we're killing 175k crabs per year, it'd still be better to use their bodies for bait (if the alternative is to throw them away, and kill another 175k + the rest for bait).
- Ericson2314 6y ago
  Neverminding the ethics, it would perhaps be ecologically better if we could farm horseshoe crabs, and fine-tune the bleeding regimen to manage the externalities as one does with lumber and forestry.
- wonderwonder 6y ago
  Exactly, this just appears to be a war of well monied groups. Group A makes a billion a year bleeding horseshoe crabs and group B wants in on that and has come up with a synthetic alternative. The group that wins will be the one that lobbies the best. This round appears to have gone to the horseshoe crab bleeders. The proponents of the synthetic alternative most likely have financial incentive to do so.
- inakarmacoma 6y ago
  Maybe a drained crab makes poor bait?

heavenlyblue 6y ago

Probably because the bloodless crabs start immediately decomposing

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pkAbstract 6y ago

Are "100%" drained crabs are effective bait?