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I hear this all the time but is it true? It sounds like saying "we don't want to compete, because we are just better" - meanwhile we are being left in the dust.

I hear this all the time but is it true? It sounds like saying "we don't want to compete, because we are just better" - meanwhile we are being left in the dust. When I visited China, China feels like America. I'd argue China has embraced capitalism and we are moving in the opposite direction.

bpt3 6y ago
> I'd argue China has embraced capitalism and we are moving in the opposite direction. The CCP has embraced capitalism when it's convenient for them. What they haven't embraced is a consistent rule of law or anything approaching a democratic government, which are the basis of every other functioning, stable nation on Earth.
- empthought 6y ago
  China has more people living in it than the US, the EU, the post-Soviet states, and Brazil —- combined. Does it really matter what “every other functioning, stable nation on Earth” does, when it’s patently obvious that China will be calling the shots from here on out, thanks to everything that the Trump presidency did to internationalism?
  - redis_mlc 6y ago
    > China has more people living in it than the US, the EU, the post-Soviet states, and Brazil —- combined. Until the next famine, which is imminent. Even in good times, China does not produce nearly enough food for internal consumption. Add to that the numerous famines in 2020, plus underpaying farmers, and you get a perfect storm in 2021. > it’s patently obvious that China will be calling the shots from here on out No, the CCP is a parasite that relies on the rest of the world. > thanks to everything that the Trump presidency did to internationalism Trump is excellent when it comes to foreign policy that benefits the US. As an American, the last thing I care about is fickle "internationalism."
  - bpt3 6y ago
    Yeah, it does matter. Fortunately (for those of us who aren't members of the CCP), control over domestic and international affairs isn't decided by sheer headcount. Also, I think it's likely that Trump has made leaders in the the West realize how much they rely on each other, and ties will be quickly re-strengthened under Biden.

bpt3 6y ago

> I'd argue China has embraced capitalism and we are moving in the opposite direction. The CCP has embraced capitalism when it's convenient for them. What they haven't embraced is a consistent rule of law or anything approaching a democratic government, which are the basis of every other functioning, stable nation on Earth.

empthought 6y ago
China has more people living in it than the US, the EU, the post-Soviet states, and Brazil —- combined. Does it really matter what “every other functioning, stable nation on Earth” does, when it’s patently obvious that China will be calling the shots from here on out, thanks to everything that the Trump presidency did to internationalism?
- redis_mlc 6y ago
  > China has more people living in it than the US, the EU, the post-Soviet states, and Brazil —- combined. Until the next famine, which is imminent. Even in good times, China does not produce nearly enough food for internal consumption. Add to that the numerous famines in 2020, plus underpaying farmers, and you get a perfect storm in 2021. > it’s patently obvious that China will be calling the shots from here on out No, the CCP is a parasite that relies on the rest of the world. > thanks to everything that the Trump presidency did to internationalism Trump is excellent when it comes to foreign policy that benefits the US. As an American, the last thing I care about is fickle "internationalism."
- bpt3 6y ago
  Yeah, it does matter. Fortunately (for those of us who aren't members of the CCP), control over domestic and international affairs isn't decided by sheer headcount. Also, I think it's likely that Trump has made leaders in the the West realize how much they rely on each other, and ties will be quickly re-strengthened under Biden.