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The first one is easy. Nearly every animal would be better off not being born. Not many animals have an easy fun filled fulfilling life. Most of them spend thei

The first one is easy. Nearly every animal would be better off not being born. Not many animals have an easy fun filled fulfilling life. Most of them spend their days hungry and scared, and their last day is often being eaten alive or some other miserable death. The second is also easy. Nearly every animal that is farmed has a much better life as livestock than as a wild animal. Want your last day to be a bolt through the brain after getting to gorge on food for weeks, or chased down and your guts ripped out and eaten while you're pinned down in terror?

JamesBarney 6y ago
Interesting take that whipingnout all eXAa
miles 6y ago
> Nearly every animal that is farmed has a much better life as livestock than as a wild animal. If you were a non-human animal, which life would you prefer? https://vimeo.com/130694373 https://vimeo.com/130694373 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wkPMUZ9vX4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wkPMUZ9vX4
- merpnderp 6y ago
  Hey I'm all for making agriculture humane and to end needless suffering. I'm just saying there's got to be a point on the ethical scale where farmed animals are better off than they would have been in nature. I live around massive cattle operations, and they are absolutely in every way possible better off than a bison wondering the Serengeti. If only because they can drink water whenever they want and never fear a giant croc will drag them into the water to be drowned. And yes, pig and chicken operations like that should be stopped.
  - moab 6y ago
    > and they are absolutely in every way possible better off than a bison wondering the Serengeti Why is that, though? I would reckon that most animals on the Serengeti (not Bison, mind you) live out their average lifespan. Sure, some percentage of them are eaten or die to drought, but there is a reason that their average lifespan is 15--20 years, or whatever it happens to be. Compare that with the 5--6 year average lifespan of a factory farmed animal. It is hard to give you a more detailed argument without understanding the real reasons behind your value judgement.

JamesBarney 6y ago

Interesting take that whipingnout all eXAa

miles 6y ago

> Nearly every animal that is farmed has a much better life as livestock than as a wild animal. If you were a non-human animal, which life would you prefer? https://vimeo.com/130694373 https://vimeo.com/130694373 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wkPMUZ9vX4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wkPMUZ9vX4

merpnderp 6y ago
Hey I'm all for making agriculture humane and to end needless suffering. I'm just saying there's got to be a point on the ethical scale where farmed animals are better off than they would have been in nature. I live around massive cattle operations, and they are absolutely in every way possible better off than a bison wondering the Serengeti. If only because they can drink water whenever they want and never fear a giant croc will drag them into the water to be drowned. And yes, pig and chicken operations like that should be stopped.
- moab 6y ago
  > and they are absolutely in every way possible better off than a bison wondering the Serengeti Why is that, though? I would reckon that most animals on the Serengeti (not Bison, mind you) live out their average lifespan. Sure, some percentage of them are eaten or die to drought, but there is a reason that their average lifespan is 15--20 years, or whatever it happens to be. Compare that with the 5--6 year average lifespan of a factory farmed animal. It is hard to give you a more detailed argument without understanding the real reasons behind your value judgement.