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Would one or more of the downvoters be willing to actually answer these claims? I'm not a subject matter expert, but like everyone I have an interest in good nu

by User23 6y ago

Would one or more of the downvoters be willing to actually answer these claims? I'm not a subject matter expert, but like everyone I have an interest in good nutrition. The micronutrient claim appears prima facie plausible. Even whole organism food like vegetables is poorer in micronutrients today than it was in generations past. To some extent this is already a problem with real meat, because almost nobody in the USA eats organ meat and it's particularly rich in micronutrients.

OneGuy123 6y ago
They don't have any: it just goes to show you that people still think that all you need are carbs, protein and fats and you're good to go. This belief is what caused the food to get so depleted in all micronutrients in the 1st place: because people aren't aware how important they are -> they don't care about them -> no one enforces rules for food quality in the micronutrients department -> food quality goes to shit over time.
- bun_at_work 6y ago
  What makes you think no one cares about micronutrients in food, or that no rules for food quality are enforced? White rice in the US is required by law to be enriched [1]. The FDA heavily regulates food in the US, leading to some of the highest quality food in the world. Perhaps you don't live in the US. If you do live in the US, I highly recommend taking some time to learn about the things you talk about in online forums. Spreading BS around isn't helpful for anyone. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_rice https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_rice
- tokai 6y ago
  > Assume good faith. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
RankingMember 6y ago
The downvotes are probably more due to the dismissive/inflammatory tone, e.g. "Anyone who says this is a good food product is an idiot, there is no nice way to say this. In fact the term idiot as a way to mild term for this kind of a person." I doubt anyone here has tried this product yet or seen any extensive analysis, so to say it's good or not good is pure speculation at this point. Laying insults atop an argument seldom strengthens it.
bun_at_work 6y ago
Yeah - the micronutrient claim does make sense on the surface. However, the claim is wildly simplistic. We get tons of different micronutrients from tons of sources. If OP were correct, vegans wouldn't be able to survive. Vegetarians wouldn't be able to survive. Basically everything we need in terms of nutrients (micro and macro) can be found in non-meat food products. Wherever a non-meat diet falls short of the needed micronutrients, multivitamins can be added to make up any deficiencies. Again, see vegans. Finally, lab grown meat IS meat. Our bodies can break down and harvest any micronutrients grown into the meat. Furthermore, as developments are made, it's naive to assume the companies producing the lab grown meat won't attempt to add anything important which might be missing. There's also precedent in the food industry for adding nutrients to food staples - white rice in America is legally required to be enriched. This point also confirms OPs concern is worth thinking about to begin with - the rice nutrient deficiency has caused epidemics in Asia. However, this problem has largely been solved. Finally, OPs rant seems to start from an adversarial position. The arguments put forward seem to be in bad faith, as they are mostly distilled with minor research on lab-grown meat.
- OneGuy123 6y ago
  You are one of the people I was talking about: you belive you can just add a few vitamins and minerals here and there and call it a day: that is not how it works! Example: vitamin C in supplements is only ascorbic acid. But the real vitamin C is a "complex" and contains multiple other vitamins INSIDE of it+ stuff surrounding the complex. You cannot break down meat into minerals and vitamins if they don't have them in the first place.
  - bun_at_work 6y ago
    You fundamentally misunderstand my point. I'm saying you can add those in to your diet, not meat. I'm not claiming we need to inject these missing nutrients into the meat, and I'm not claiming that our body manufactures them from sources where they are absent. But your implication here is that humans eat only one type of meat from an animal that provides all nutrients we need. That's not true, and it's stupid to think that. You really need to try to understand the science of this topic because you're out of your depth, clearly. Stop putting words in peoples' mouths.
anotherman554 6y ago
The Great Courses has a nutrition course I watched and it it indicated a vegetarian diet if done right is 100% fine. I wouldn't expect adding artificial meat to a vegetarian diet to cause any deficiency if the vegetarian diet alone is fine.

by User23 6y ago

OneGuy123 6y ago

They don't have any: it just goes to show you that people still think that all you need are carbs, protein and fats and you're good to go. This belief is what caused the food to get so depleted in all micronutrients in the 1st place: because people aren't aware how important they are -> they don't care about them -> no one enforces rules for food quality in the micronutrients department -> food quality goes to shit over time.

bun_at_work 6y ago
What makes you think no one cares about micronutrients in food, or that no rules for food quality are enforced? White rice in the US is required by law to be enriched [1]. The FDA heavily regulates food in the US, leading to some of the highest quality food in the world. Perhaps you don't live in the US. If you do live in the US, I highly recommend taking some time to learn about the things you talk about in online forums. Spreading BS around isn't helpful for anyone. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_rice https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_rice
tokai 6y ago
> Assume good faith. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

RankingMember 6y ago

The downvotes are probably more due to the dismissive/inflammatory tone, e.g. "Anyone who says this is a good food product is an idiot, there is no nice way to say this. In fact the term idiot as a way to mild term for this kind of a person." I doubt anyone here has tried this product yet or seen any extensive analysis, so to say it's good or not good is pure speculation at this point. Laying insults atop an argument seldom strengthens it.

bun_at_work 6y ago

Yeah - the micronutrient claim does make sense on the surface. However, the claim is wildly simplistic. We get tons of different micronutrients from tons of sources. If OP were correct, vegans wouldn't be able to survive. Vegetarians wouldn't be able to survive. Basically everything we need in terms of nutrients (micro and macro) can be found in non-meat food products. Wherever a non-meat diet falls short of the needed micronutrients, multivitamins can be added to make up any deficiencies. Again, see vegans. Finally, lab grown meat IS meat. Our bodies can break down and harvest any micronutrients grown into the meat. Furthermore, as developments are made, it's naive to assume the companies producing the lab grown meat won't attempt to add anything important which might be missing. There's also precedent in the food industry for adding nutrients to food staples - white rice in America is legally required to be enriched. This point also confirms OPs concern is worth thinking about to begin with - the rice nutrient deficiency has caused epidemics in Asia. However, this problem has largely been solved. Finally, OPs rant seems to start from an adversarial position. The arguments put forward seem to be in bad faith, as they are mostly distilled with minor research on lab-grown meat.

OneGuy123 6y ago
You are one of the people I was talking about: you belive you can just add a few vitamins and minerals here and there and call it a day: that is not how it works! Example: vitamin C in supplements is only ascorbic acid. But the real vitamin C is a "complex" and contains multiple other vitamins INSIDE of it+ stuff surrounding the complex. You cannot break down meat into minerals and vitamins if they don't have them in the first place.
- bun_at_work 6y ago
  You fundamentally misunderstand my point. I'm saying you can add those in to your diet, not meat. I'm not claiming we need to inject these missing nutrients into the meat, and I'm not claiming that our body manufactures them from sources where they are absent. But your implication here is that humans eat only one type of meat from an animal that provides all nutrients we need. That's not true, and it's stupid to think that. You really need to try to understand the science of this topic because you're out of your depth, clearly. Stop putting words in peoples' mouths.

anotherman554 6y ago

The Great Courses has a nutrition course I watched and it it indicated a vegetarian diet if done right is 100% fine. I wouldn't expect adding artificial meat to a vegetarian diet to cause any deficiency if the vegetarian diet alone is fine.