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So its effect on the immune system lasts even after it's gone. So if it were to cause any problems (in the immune system, for example), those could also persist

So its effect on the immune system lasts even after it's gone. So if it were to cause any problems (in the immune system, for example), those could also persist after the mRNA is gone. So how exactly is this line of reasoning reassuring?

bawolff 6y ago
Mostly because that's also how all other vaccines work, going back 200 years. Its really only the mRNA part that's new.
wfn 6y ago
> So its effect on the immune system lasts even after it's gone. The general principle is the same as for most vaccines: make the body generate its own antibodies (and/or T cells) for the virus in question. So in that sense of course its effect is long term, just like when you get sick with some virus and your body develops antibodies for it - the virus itself is gone, but the effect on the immune system is long-lasting. From an FT article: > Conventional vaccines administer an inactivated virus, or proteins from that virus, into the body to trigger an immune response, which can prevent subsequent infection. > In contrast, mRNA technology — originally developed as a cancer therapy — injects genetic instructions into the body that tell cells to make viral proteins that prime the immune system. Although mRNA vaccines had been under development for several years for viruses including influenza, cytomegalovirus, HIV, rabies and Zika, the arrival of Covid-19 turbocharged the process. - https://www.ft.com/content/74e41528-80c3-4b0f-b343-be43d90f0311 https://www.ft.com/content/74e41528-80c3-4b0f-b343-be43d90f0...
fabian2k 6y ago
The immune response also happens for all other types of vaccines. That part isn't so different with mRNA vaccines.
tialaramex 6y ago
Everything you're exposed to in your environment impacts the immune system. That's one of the mistakes anti-vax people make about childhood vaccination. They're like "Oh no, my baby can't handle six different vaccines in one shot, that must be too many at once surely" but actually it's a baby and babies eat dirt - its immune system is already seeing all sorts of new nonsense that isn't supposed to be there every day and problems are very rare, vaccination isn't any more of a problem. So yes, but no. And it's reassuring compared to say DNA tweaking which would permanently change the instructions in some cell lines in your body, or more extremely germ line DNA tweaking which would alter your cells and those of any subsequent offspring you have.

bawolff 6y ago

Mostly because that's also how all other vaccines work, going back 200 years. Its really only the mRNA part that's new.

wfn 6y ago

> So its effect on the immune system lasts even after it's gone. The general principle is the same as for most vaccines: make the body generate its own antibodies (and/or T cells) for the virus in question. So in that sense of course its effect is long term, just like when you get sick with some virus and your body develops antibodies for it - the virus itself is gone, but the effect on the immune system is long-lasting. From an FT article: > Conventional vaccines administer an inactivated virus, or proteins from that virus, into the body to trigger an immune response, which can prevent subsequent infection. > In contrast, mRNA technology — originally developed as a cancer therapy — injects genetic instructions into the body that tell cells to make viral proteins that prime the immune system. Although mRNA vaccines had been under development for several years for viruses including influenza, cytomegalovirus, HIV, rabies and Zika, the arrival of Covid-19 turbocharged the process. - https://www.ft.com/content/74e41528-80c3-4b0f-b343-be43d90f0311 https://www.ft.com/content/74e41528-80c3-4b0f-b343-be43d90f0...

fabian2k 6y ago

The immune response also happens for all other types of vaccines. That part isn't so different with mRNA vaccines.

tialaramex 6y ago

Everything you're exposed to in your environment impacts the immune system. That's one of the mistakes anti-vax people make about childhood vaccination. They're like "Oh no, my baby can't handle six different vaccines in one shot, that must be too many at once surely" but actually it's a baby and babies eat dirt - its immune system is already seeing all sorts of new nonsense that isn't supposed to be there every day and problems are very rare, vaccination isn't any more of a problem. So yes, but no. And it's reassuring compared to say DNA tweaking which would permanently change the instructions in some cell lines in your body, or more extremely germ line DNA tweaking which would alter your cells and those of any subsequent offspring you have.