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UK Gov originally published this as the priority interim list [1] - * older adults’ resident in a care home and care home workers * all those 80 years of age
by mystcb 6y ago
UK Gov originally published this as the priority interim list [1] -
* older adults’ resident in a care home and care home workers
* all those 80 years of age and over and health and social care workers
* all those 75 years of age and over
* all those 70 years of age and over
* all those 65 years of age and over
* high-risk adults under 65 years of age
* moderate-risk adults under 65 years of age
* all those 60 years of age and over
* all those 55 years of age and over
* all those 50 years of age and over
* rest of the population (priority to be determined)
[1] https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/priority-groups-for-coronavirus-covid-19-vaccination-advice-from-the-jcvi-25-september-2020/jcvi-updated-interim-advice-on-priority-groups-for-covid-19-vaccination#vaccine-priority-groups-interim-advice https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/priority-groups-f...
- ulrikrasmussen 6y agoIn Denmark where I live, a large proportion of infected people are age 20-29, and I wonder if it would make sense to vaccinate them first when you get to "rest of the population". Even though they have a smaller risk of getting seriously ill, that could be an effective way to lower transmission. That is: 1. Immunize the age group that is dominating in the hospitalization statistics, then 2. Immunize the age group is accounting for the majority of transmission, then 3. Immunize the rest.
- tonyedgecombe 6y agoI have a suspicion that once the vaccine rolls out and is working then everybody will throw caution to the wind. It’s going to be interesting to watch this unfold.
- usrusr 6y agoFully expect the same. Basically, if you are less than 65 years old and not working in one of the early access professions, forget all concerns about vaccine safety. Buckle up to face the virus natively in that third wave that will sweep through unmitigated once the high mortality groups are vaccinated.
- pmoriarty 6y agoThere may be places you won't be allowed to go and things you won't be allowed to do (like work, maybe) unless you show proof of having been vaccinated. There's a good chance that situation will create a black market both for vaccines (real and fake) and forged proof of vaccination.
- tonyedgecombe 6y agoThere may be places you won't be allowed to go and things you won't be allowed to do (like work, maybe) unless you show proof of having been vaccinated. The UK government has ruled out having a vacination passport (for good reason in my opinion).
- shmel 6y agoThe UK government had also ruled the second national lockdown, but here we are. Is there a counter since the last U-turn of the UK government?
- bun_at_work 6y agoThis isn't a fair comparison, or reasoned in good faith. The UK government changed their mind about a second lockdown given new evidence. The virus got much worse and they responded. What new evidence is there that the UK government is going to start vaccination passports? Has something changed?
- shmel 6y ago>>Has something changed? That's the wrong question. The right one is "may something change in the future?" And an answer on this: "maybe, we don't know, nobody knows the future". That being said, extrapolation of the exponential curve a month forward is one of relatively simple ways to predict the future. And yet, it was _completely_ unexpected for the UK government. Think about that.
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- refurb 6y agoThere are people far smarter than I am developing plans for this, but I'm assuming the thinking is "it's better to vaccinate the person who could die from Covid than to vaccinate the person who could potentially give it to them". I have no doubt there are some pretty interesting models being developed to determine the best course of action.
- Angostura 6y agoWe don't know yet whether the vaccine stops people from being asymptomic spreaders. We do know that it is effective at stopping people from getting ill. So we don't know how beneficial your 2 above would be.
- RussianCow 6y agoI don't know why you've been downvoted, because this is really important to point out. The vaccine does not, as far as we know, prevent you from spreading COVID; it simply tries to prevent you from having any symptoms. So while it will be effective at keeping people out of hospitals, it may not actually do anything to stop the spread of the virus.
- acqq 6y agoExactly, as explained here: https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/941030?src=soc_tw_201118_mscpedt_news_mdscp_vaccine&faf=1 https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/941030?src=soc_tw_20111... The results announced up to now just showed that the vaccines reduce chance of a vaccinated person becoming sick.
- johnisgood 6y agoSo I should only get the vaccine if I fear for being sick, similarly to the flu, right? I do not want the vaccine. I have been exposed to many COVID-19 positive people and I am fine, thus, I do not want a rushed vaccine.
- loblollyboy 6y agoBecause A.) Approx 1 20yo in a million will have life threatening complications. Plus B.) there are a lot more of them than their (are people who have non-negligible chance of dying + people around those with non-negligible chance of dying).
- Ensorceled 6y agoYou essentially reiterated their first point without really addressing their second point.
- dkarl 6y agoThe lockdown is justified by certain measurable factors, such as hospitalization rates, the risk of death, and the risk of major complications, and as we vaccinate the population, these factors will decrease. They will decrease quickly at first and then very slowly taper off to zero. (Remember there will be idiots who avoid the vaccine altogether.) It makes sense to ask when Covid crosses the line from a risk that justifies lockdown to a risk that does not.
- simonh 6y agoThere are far, far too many of them compared to the number of vaccination treatments currently available. It wouldn't make a dent. Better to treat the much smaller number of people in high risk groups.
- napier 6y agoFrom a sheer infection control standpoint it makes a sense to vaccinate hypermobile social superspreader nodes first. Anyone who comes into contact with lots of people is going to be responsible for more onward infection chains than a reclusive grandma. The butterflies among the young are probably key drivers of spread. Take them out of the susceptibility picture and everyone benefits.
- maxerickson 6y agoYou just have to identify them. I also wonder if a social butterfly has a bigger contact network than the average church goer or retail employee.
- napier 6y agoSmartphone mobility and social graph data that’s already being collected and analyzed. Rather than just using existing tech to target ads and build surveillance capitalism profiles, it could be used in the public interest. On an opt in basis naturally; but as frictionlessly as possible via cookie tracker popups and updates to FAANG terms of service perhaps.
- willturman 6y ago"Based on tracking your GPS and behavior on Facebook, we need you to come in for an injection." Where do I sign up?!
- napier 6y agoStranger things have happened in 2020 than that! It’s a win-win. Superspreader nodes either get their vaccine or they become aware of how much they’re already tracked may begin to consider the nuances and implications.
- BurningFrog 6y agoThere is a considerable Moral Hazard element to this, but it would make sense to vaccinate the most irresponsible people first, since they're the ones spreading it most.
- Aldipower 6y agoThis only would makes sense if there would be evidence that the vaccines are so-called _sterile_ vaccines. Which means vaccinated people cannot transmit the virus to others. But, absolutely no covid-19 vaccine can be considered as sterile, because there is just no data for it. So, it is, for now, just a self-protection vaccine.
- Ichthypresbyter 6y agoThe Dutch said they would consider vaccinating people aged 20-29 first if the infection rate had dropped low enough once the vaccine became available.
- breatheoften 6y agoFrom what I've understood -- it is not yet known whether having the vaccine will prevent or reduce transmission. I believe that most experts are expecting it won't.
- quietbritishjim 6y agoAt first I missed NHS staff on the list; it's tucked in the second bullet point as part of "health and social care workers". A footnote attached to it says: > The final decision on the prioritisation for health and social care workers will be dependent on vaccine characteristics and the epidemiology at the start of any programme.
- mkl 6y agoWhat a strange apostrophe (it's in the official list). Or am I misreading it?
- 867-5309 6y agoOlder Adults' is a shortened term for certain divisions e.g. Older Adults' Mental Health in UK medical circles. it's a bit of a catapostrophe, but I suspect it was copied, pasted, then added to without due attention
- ape4 6y agoThat apostrophe is bad for my mental health
- jcims 6y agoIsn’t it just plural possessive?
- hardlianotion 6y agoIt is not. Its is possessive, and I don’t think I would use it to describe more than one thing.
- jcims 6y agoDaaaad get off my internet!
- HPsquared 6y ago"The resident, who is the property of the older adults..."
- Mauricebranagh 6y agoSeems to have missed the extreme risk group ie those on imuno suppressants transplant patients etc.
- Ekaros 6y agoWould the vaccine work on those groups? My understanding is that you need baseline immuno-response to develop the resistance with help of vaccine. Isn't one point of vaccination of population to protect exactly that population who can't receive the vaccination?
- ryanbrunner 6y agoI'm going through the transplant pipeline right now, and I've been told to expect that it should still work, but probably at a lower effectiveness than someone not on a post-transplant drug regimen. I'm really hoping the timing works out so I can get it pre-transplant though.
- Mauricebranagh 6y agoFingers crossed :-) I have a call with the Post transplant team this after noon so will ask. Which hospital / trust are you with? I had mine done at Royal Free.
- ryanbrunner 6y agoI'm Canadian, so I imagine it's a completely separate system (for example, I don't know what a "trust" is). I go to my local hospital which has a pretty large nephrology department.
- Giorgi 6y agoLooks like it was already withdrawn and superseded by this: https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/940396/Priority_groups_for_coronavirus__COVID-19__vaccination_-_advice_from_the_JCVI__2_December_2020.pdf https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/...