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From what I remember from the news yesterday the EMA will be done with the evaluation (if they don't find anything that causes concern) by the end of the month,
by polytely 6y ago
From what I remember from the news yesterday the EMA will be done with the evaluation (if they don't find anything that causes concern) by the end of the month, so they aren't that far off
- lbeltrame 6y agoYou are correct. The meeting for the "decision" (rather, it is a recommendation on which the European Commission acts upon) is scheduled to be December 28th at the latest.
- Kliment 6y agoYeah, and given the political pressure they're likely to do it earlier (I believe they meet every 2 weeks, and they received the application documents with the complete data set on monday). Dec 28 is their "no later than" internal deadline. The EC has already said they'd hold an emergency meeting to formally approve immediately after.
- tinus_hn 6y agoYeah, there’s only about 5000 deaths extra for each day of delay. So no rush there!
- polytely 6y agoIf people don't trust that the vaccine is safe, they will not take it, which will basically throw away a year of vaccine development and lower trust in vaccines in general and prolong the pandemic.
- tinus_hn 6y agoDoing the theatrics and vaccinating people are not mutually exclusive. There’s plenty of people who want to get vaccinated now, so they can go first while the people who don’t can wait for this ‘necessary research’ to be done.
- bojan 6y agoI am fine with the thoroughness being applied. If they get it wrong the consequences may be much worse.
- tinus_hn 6y agoGood to hear you’re fine with 100000 people dying because we need to adhere to procedure. There is absolutely 0% chance at the end the vaccine will not be approved. But 100% chance 20 days will have been wasted.
- La1n 6y ago>There is absolutely 0% chance at the end the vaccine will not be approved. That's not true, I think it's foolish to 100% trust a company to not make any rushed mistakes, lie, or hide some facts, when there are massive amounts of money involved.
- tinus_hn 6y agoIt’s not like they suddenly dumped a stack of papers on the regulators’ doorsteps. 99% of all the data they are going to get has been available for a long time and everything they are going to be able to check in their 20 days has been available for a long time. How are they going to check if the manufacturer fudged the report? Run the experiment themselves again in 20 days? Edit: by the way in the UK they were prepared properly and the vaccine is approved today. Or would you say they are acting irresponsibly?
- La1n 6y ago>How are they going to check if the manufacturer fudged the report? Run the experiment themselves again in 20 days? Site and document inspections.
- tinus_hn 6y agoWhat site? Just pick one of the over 150 trial sites at random? What are they going to see that they couldn’t have seen a month ago?
- _Microft 6y agoI bet everyone there wants to get the vaccines out of the door as fast as possible. That does not mean that people are willing to cut corners where they should not.
- tinus_hn 6y agoSo are you saying the UK cut corners?
- _Microft 6y agoThat's one of the possibilities I had in mind when I started the thread. Look at my top level comment so see what I asked exactly.
- tinus_hn 6y agoThe answer to that is two-fold, of course. In the US and UK any hold-up is going to be blamed on the government, while in the EU it’ll be blamed on some nebulous, far away EU institution which is not elected anyway. Second one country might care more about a lot of people dying unnecessarily (besides the burden on the economy) than another. Clearly the EU has no issue with it and prioritizes theatrics instead. Again, probably has to do with the ease of blame shifting. Neither of these have anything to do with the typical excuses about ‘thoroughness’.
- stjohnswarts 6y agoI'd rather they take a reasonable amount of time to evaluate. It's just the reality of things. A lot of those people would have lived if they had stuck with the plan to distance and wear masks but here we are.
- tinus_hn 6y agoSo easy to use an ill-defined group of disobedients as the scapegoat. Back in the real world the effect of the masks recommended to the public is marginal at best. Delaying vaccines is not ‘just the reality of things’. It’s a political decision with grave consequences. One country makes one choice, another makes another choice. The reality of things is that choice decides wether people live or die. There is no way to shift the blame away from that.