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Happy beta testing to all Brits then!

simonbarker87 6y ago
My 85 year old grandparents are excited, they get to hold their great grand children again. They’d be first in line if they could be.
- vertis 6y ago
  Aside from hospital workers they're likely to be pretty high on the list, if my understanding is correct.
  - refurb 6y ago
    The FDA already recommended (it's not binding) that front-line healthcare workers and seniors in long-term care are the first wave of 20M people (40M doses). That will take until February or so to complete.
  - newguy1234 6y ago
    Heard it was something like this: 1. Long-term care residents/staff 2. Hospital workers 3. Anyone 85+ years old.
    - boyband6666 6y ago
      So in the UK we have a really good set of expert bodies that put forward reccomendations on these things, the JCVI being the vaccines body. They are every bit as good as the current government are terrible. Priority ranking is here: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/priority-groups-for-coronavirus-covid-19-vaccination-advice-from-the-jcvi-25-september-2020/jcvi-updated-interim-advice-on-priority-groups-for-covid-19-vaccination https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/priority-groups-f... Though this is generic and should change depending on the results on vaccine trials (should there be evidence of differential effectiveness).
    - mystcb 6y ago
      UK Gov originally published this as the priority interim list [1] - * older adults’ resident in a care home and care home workers * all those 80 years of age and over and health and social care workers * all those 75 years of age and over * all those 70 years of age and over * all those 65 years of age and over * high-risk adults under 65 years of age * moderate-risk adults under 65 years of age * all those 60 years of age and over * all those 55 years of age and over * all those 50 years of age and over * rest of the population (priority to be determined) [1] https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/priority-groups-for-coronavirus-covid-19-vaccination-advice-from-the-jcvi-25-september-2020/jcvi-updated-interim-advice-on-priority-groups-for-covid-19-vaccination#vaccine-priority-groups-interim-advice https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/priority-groups-f...
      - ulrikrasmussen 6y ago
        In Denmark where I live, a large proportion of infected people are age 20-29, and I wonder if it would make sense to vaccinate them first when you get to "rest of the population". Even though they have a smaller risk of getting seriously ill, that could be an effective way to lower transmission. That is: 1. Immunize the age group that is dominating in the hospitalization statistics, then 2. Immunize the age group is accounting for the majority of transmission, then 3. Immunize the rest.
        tonyedgecombe 6y ago
        I have a suspicion that once the vaccine rolls out and is working then everybody will throw caution to the wind. It’s going to be interesting to watch this unfold.
        usrusr 6y ago
        Fully expect the same. Basically, if you are less than 65 years old and not working in one of the early access professions, forget all concerns about vaccine safety. Buckle up to face the virus natively in that third wave that will sweep through unmitigated once the high mortality groups are vaccinated.
    - DanBC 6y ago
      Hospital workers are likely to be first. https://twitter.com/HSJEditor/status/1334042232182235139?s=20 https://twitter.com/HSJEditor/status/1334042232182235139?s=2...
      - shellac 6y ago
        That seems to be a (minor) alteration in the original plan, possible due to the storage requirements for the vaccine.
        DanBC 6y ago
        I think it's mostly because NHS organisations are already well organised for distribution of vaccines to staff. They're large organisations with thousands of employees. Care homes are all mostly small, with a handful of employees. EDIT: Wales has just said it's going to be really hard getting the Pfizer vaccine out to care homes: https://www.pulsetoday.co.uk/news/clinical-areas/immunology-and-vaccines/care-home-residents-cannot-get-pfizer-covid-vaccine-due-to-practical-constraints/ https://www.pulsetoday.co.uk/news/clinical-areas/immunology-...
- lumberingjack 6y ago
  This one is the one that makes you very sick, are they really going to risk death for less perceived risk?
- deleted 6y ago
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- avgDev 6y ago
  Oof my grandfather is 2000 miles away and 82. I am hoping we can visit him in 2021 safely, so he can meet his great grand child.
  - simonbarker87 6y ago
    I hope you can soon
samcheng 6y ago
The 'beta' test already happened. Tens of thousands of people have proven it safe and effective. Haven't you been following the news? Selfishly, I guess we should be happy that there is an anti-vaxxer sentiment; it means the rest of us will get our vaccines faster.
- deleted 6y ago
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- J-dawg 6y ago
  Conversely, I am finding the reaction to anti-vaccine sentiment from some politicians to be pretty creepy. Already there is talk of compulsory vaccination or "vaccine passports". Labour (the UK opposition party) were even calling for spreading "misinformation" online to be illegal. I find this ridiculous considering the massive challenge we have ahead of us just to get the vaccine to the millions of people who desperately want it. Sure, if we get to the point where everyone who wants the vaccine has had it, and there are still people dying from COVID, then we can discuss illiberal measures to increase vaccine take-up. (I'd still be opposed to them). Getting worked up about this stuff when not a single person (outside of the trial groups) has been vaccinated yet just demonstrates our politicians' (on all sides) tendency towards authoritarianism.
  - spuz 6y ago
    I'm not sure I agree. The maths says that we need about 70% of the population to take the vaccine in order for it to no longer be a threat. We also have polling that says about 53% will refuse to take the vaccine. So we're already at the point where something else must be done such as adding incentives, a passport system or better advertising etc. OR continued lockdown measures and enforcement of mask wearing. It's not a theoretical problem we're already there. https://www.itv.com/news/2020-11-10/covid-vaccine-will-enough-of-the-population-get-immunised-to-get-rid-of-coronavirus https://www.itv.com/news/2020-11-10/covid-vaccine-will-enoug...
    - J-dawg 6y ago
      > The maths says that we need about 70% of the population to take the vaccine in order for it to no longer be a threat ...to no longer be a threat to an unvaccinated person. This isn't like the childhood vaccines, where we need herd immunity to protect the children who are too young to be vaccinated. Provided that everyone who wants the vaccine can get it, I don't see the problem with letting everyone else make their own decision. The current priority list of people is nowhere near 70% of the population anyway. Most people under 50 won't have the opportunity to be vaccinated for months. So this absolutely is a theoretical problem, at least for now. Given that Covid is such a mild disease for most young people, I predict that by the time the elderly and vulnerable have been vaccinated, this will be a non-issue anyway.
7952 6y ago
Someone has to be. Happy for it to be me.
- rovr138 6y ago
  Sincerely, thank you. The more people that get vaccinated, I think the easier it'll be to start vaccinating more and start getting back to normal fingers crossed
ulfw 6y ago
It's already been beta tested. That's the point of Phase 3 trials.
- cafebabbe 6y ago
  *Shortened phase 3 trials.
  - wiz21c 6y ago
    I'd be happy to know how that shortening affects confidence in the vaccine.
    - NhanH 6y ago
      Efficacy confidence isn't affected, but side effect confidence is.
    - ineedasername 6y ago
      20% points seems to be the drop as the rapid approval process became a victim hyper-partisanship in the US. The push for a rapid approval has been viewed, by the left, as a political ploy by the right instead of a well-planned & scientifically supported approval process. Early polls about taking a vaccine showed much higher support for it before it was politicized. [0] Support dropped by 20%. Surprisingly, it dropped by about the same amount for both the political right & left, although support on the left started at a higher level. This may indicate that even people on the right were influenced by the perception of a too-rapid approval process. [0] https://www.pewresearch.org/science/2020/09/17/u-s-public-now-divided-over-whether-to-get-covid-19-vaccine/ https://www.pewresearch.org/science/2020/09/17/u-s-public-no...
  - ulfw 6y ago
    It's 40,000+ people. What else do you want?
- NDizzle 6y ago
  More like a pre-alpha...
dafoex 6y ago
Beta testing is done, apparently people have been throwing themselves at the human trials.

My 85 year old grandparents are excited, they get to hold their great grand children again. They’d be first in line if they could be.

vertis 6y ago
Aside from hospital workers they're likely to be pretty high on the list, if my understanding is correct.
- refurb 6y ago
  The FDA already recommended (it's not binding) that front-line healthcare workers and seniors in long-term care are the first wave of 20M people (40M doses). That will take until February or so to complete.
- newguy1234 6y ago
  Heard it was something like this: 1. Long-term care residents/staff 2. Hospital workers 3. Anyone 85+ years old.
  - boyband6666 6y ago
    So in the UK we have a really good set of expert bodies that put forward reccomendations on these things, the JCVI being the vaccines body. They are every bit as good as the current government are terrible. Priority ranking is here: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/priority-groups-for-coronavirus-covid-19-vaccination-advice-from-the-jcvi-25-september-2020/jcvi-updated-interim-advice-on-priority-groups-for-covid-19-vaccination https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/priority-groups-f... Though this is generic and should change depending on the results on vaccine trials (should there be evidence of differential effectiveness).
  - mystcb 6y ago
    UK Gov originally published this as the priority interim list [1] - * older adults’ resident in a care home and care home workers * all those 80 years of age and over and health and social care workers * all those 75 years of age and over * all those 70 years of age and over * all those 65 years of age and over * high-risk adults under 65 years of age * moderate-risk adults under 65 years of age * all those 60 years of age and over * all those 55 years of age and over * all those 50 years of age and over * rest of the population (priority to be determined) [1] https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/priority-groups-for-coronavirus-covid-19-vaccination-advice-from-the-jcvi-25-september-2020/jcvi-updated-interim-advice-on-priority-groups-for-covid-19-vaccination#vaccine-priority-groups-interim-advice https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/priority-groups-f...
    - ulrikrasmussen 6y ago
      In Denmark where I live, a large proportion of infected people are age 20-29, and I wonder if it would make sense to vaccinate them first when you get to "rest of the population". Even though they have a smaller risk of getting seriously ill, that could be an effective way to lower transmission. That is: 1. Immunize the age group that is dominating in the hospitalization statistics, then 2. Immunize the age group is accounting for the majority of transmission, then 3. Immunize the rest.
      - tonyedgecombe 6y ago
        I have a suspicion that once the vaccine rolls out and is working then everybody will throw caution to the wind. It’s going to be interesting to watch this unfold.
        usrusr 6y ago
        Fully expect the same. Basically, if you are less than 65 years old and not working in one of the early access professions, forget all concerns about vaccine safety. Buckle up to face the virus natively in that third wave that will sweep through unmitigated once the high mortality groups are vaccinated.
  - DanBC 6y ago
    Hospital workers are likely to be first. https://twitter.com/HSJEditor/status/1334042232182235139?s=20 https://twitter.com/HSJEditor/status/1334042232182235139?s=2...
    - shellac 6y ago
      That seems to be a (minor) alteration in the original plan, possible due to the storage requirements for the vaccine.
      - DanBC 6y ago
        I think it's mostly because NHS organisations are already well organised for distribution of vaccines to staff. They're large organisations with thousands of employees. Care homes are all mostly small, with a handful of employees. EDIT: Wales has just said it's going to be really hard getting the Pfizer vaccine out to care homes: https://www.pulsetoday.co.uk/news/clinical-areas/immunology-and-vaccines/care-home-residents-cannot-get-pfizer-covid-vaccine-due-to-practical-constraints/ https://www.pulsetoday.co.uk/news/clinical-areas/immunology-...
lumberingjack 6y ago
This one is the one that makes you very sick, are they really going to risk death for less perceived risk?
deleted 6y ago
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avgDev 6y ago
Oof my grandfather is 2000 miles away and 82. I am hoping we can visit him in 2021 safely, so he can meet his great grand child.
- simonbarker87 6y ago
  I hope you can soon

samcheng 6y ago

The 'beta' test already happened. Tens of thousands of people have proven it safe and effective. Haven't you been following the news? Selfishly, I guess we should be happy that there is an anti-vaxxer sentiment; it means the rest of us will get our vaccines faster.

deleted 6y ago
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J-dawg 6y ago
Conversely, I am finding the reaction to anti-vaccine sentiment from some politicians to be pretty creepy. Already there is talk of compulsory vaccination or "vaccine passports". Labour (the UK opposition party) were even calling for spreading "misinformation" online to be illegal. I find this ridiculous considering the massive challenge we have ahead of us just to get the vaccine to the millions of people who desperately want it. Sure, if we get to the point where everyone who wants the vaccine has had it, and there are still people dying from COVID, then we can discuss illiberal measures to increase vaccine take-up. (I'd still be opposed to them). Getting worked up about this stuff when not a single person (outside of the trial groups) has been vaccinated yet just demonstrates our politicians' (on all sides) tendency towards authoritarianism.
- spuz 6y ago
  I'm not sure I agree. The maths says that we need about 70% of the population to take the vaccine in order for it to no longer be a threat. We also have polling that says about 53% will refuse to take the vaccine. So we're already at the point where something else must be done such as adding incentives, a passport system or better advertising etc. OR continued lockdown measures and enforcement of mask wearing. It's not a theoretical problem we're already there. https://www.itv.com/news/2020-11-10/covid-vaccine-will-enough-of-the-population-get-immunised-to-get-rid-of-coronavirus https://www.itv.com/news/2020-11-10/covid-vaccine-will-enoug...
  - J-dawg 6y ago
    > The maths says that we need about 70% of the population to take the vaccine in order for it to no longer be a threat ...to no longer be a threat to an unvaccinated person. This isn't like the childhood vaccines, where we need herd immunity to protect the children who are too young to be vaccinated. Provided that everyone who wants the vaccine can get it, I don't see the problem with letting everyone else make their own decision. The current priority list of people is nowhere near 70% of the population anyway. Most people under 50 won't have the opportunity to be vaccinated for months. So this absolutely is a theoretical problem, at least for now. Given that Covid is such a mild disease for most young people, I predict that by the time the elderly and vulnerable have been vaccinated, this will be a non-issue anyway.

7952 6y ago

Someone has to be. Happy for it to be me.

rovr138 6y ago
Sincerely, thank you. The more people that get vaccinated, I think the easier it'll be to start vaccinating more and start getting back to normal fingers crossed

ulfw 6y ago

It's already been beta tested. That's the point of Phase 3 trials.

cafebabbe 6y ago
*Shortened phase 3 trials.
- wiz21c 6y ago
  I'd be happy to know how that shortening affects confidence in the vaccine.
  - NhanH 6y ago
    Efficacy confidence isn't affected, but side effect confidence is.
  - ineedasername 6y ago
    20% points seems to be the drop as the rapid approval process became a victim hyper-partisanship in the US. The push for a rapid approval has been viewed, by the left, as a political ploy by the right instead of a well-planned & scientifically supported approval process. Early polls about taking a vaccine showed much higher support for it before it was politicized. [0] Support dropped by 20%. Surprisingly, it dropped by about the same amount for both the political right & left, although support on the left started at a higher level. This may indicate that even people on the right were influenced by the perception of a too-rapid approval process. [0] https://www.pewresearch.org/science/2020/09/17/u-s-public-now-divided-over-whether-to-get-covid-19-vaccine/ https://www.pewresearch.org/science/2020/09/17/u-s-public-no...
- ulfw 6y ago
  It's 40,000+ people. What else do you want?
NDizzle 6y ago
More like a pre-alpha...

dafoex 6y ago

Beta testing is done, apparently people have been throwing themselves at the human trials.