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I had a Pebble Time Steel. Loved the thing to death. The battery was a bit degraded and I got tired of not being able to acknowledge Pagerduty notifications (e

I had a Pebble Time Steel. Loved the thing to death. The battery was a bit degraded and I got tired of not being able to acknowledge Pagerduty notifications (even though I could receive them), as well as not having any fitness features whatsoever (other than the steps counter). So I bit the bullet and bough an Apple watch. Within two days, I stop using the Pebble. Yes it's nice, but against what's essentially a supercomputer in my wrist, with a bunch of useful apps... I switched. Sure, having to charge daily is not _ideal_, but I can put it to charge while I'm having dinner or in the shower, and it will be full pretty quickly - specially if you are just topping off daily. It is not as convenient, but I didn't hate it as much as I thought I would. The screen is always on too. I disabled the feature, didn't see much of a difference. Just this weekend, I had a pretty spectacular fall from my bike. Fall detection kicked in - I did not need emergency services, but it was a reminder that some features can be life-saving. My company's SSO supports IOS, which means it is now integrated with my watch. Pretty secure too, the watch will lock if it is removed from my wrist. It can unlock my machine (and my car). I can control other devices. I can take just the watch outside and still receive phone calls, or buy groceries. Many of those things, I couldn't do with the Pebble, or they would be more cumbersome. Yes, physical buttons are nice, but also limiting. Pebble had the right idea. But they executed too slowly and too late. The fitness focus was missed by them for quite a while, I bet that they could have stayed relevant if they had implemented features like heart rate monitoring.

bigiain 6y ago
> Pebble had the right idea. But they executed too slowly and too late. They were also _way_ too small to compete with the industrial design, manufacturing capability, and marketing clout of Apple. Or even Samsung. They were inevitably gonna get crushed. And I say this as a four time Pebble Kickstarter backer who could see it even back then. A couple of kids with an amazing YC pitch deck and ambitions-untempered-by-experience-or-reality? They were never gonna "win" if Jony Ives and Foxconn ended up in their market segment. I don't regret a cent I spent with Pebble. I hope the founders made out like bandits when they sold out, and I hope it launched them onto spectacular career trajectories. But they never really stood a chance of being the top player in any sophisticated consumer electronics space...
- BoorishBears 6y ago
  Eh, that depends on how you define "win". If you mean sell as many units as Apple and never get bought? Sure. But as someone who also owned an OG Pebble, if the "Pebble-way" was actually better, it would have won. Winning might have meant getting acquired, or even just competitors making devices similar in spirit to theirs, but it'd still be a victory. The "Apple Watch way" was the anti-thesis to the Pebble philosophy with it's needing daily charges and it's color screen, and trying to be a second phone on your wrist with beefy specs. While the Pebble was trying to be _literally_ a smarter watch. And Apple's way won out. People just preferred that.
  - bbryant 6y ago
    The mistake we made was thinking we had to compete with Apple. Unfortunately, we realized that a little too late -- had we kept to our own pace we'd still be around, and by now would have figured out how to reach a more mainstream market.
- Kihashi 6y ago
  > I hope the founders made out like bandits when they sold out, and I hope it launched them onto spectacular career trajectories. Well uh... The company went under, so I doubt they made out like bandits. The IP was sold off, but I suspect that much of that money was used to pay off outstanding liabilities. My impression was that the founders tried to do right by their employees as well. I find it unlikely that they came out of the process with a ton of money- more than likely they lost money.
Wowfunhappy 6y ago
Just as a counter, I'm a (current) Pebble user, and I bought an Apple Watch and returned it. I don't need fitness tracking, the Apple Watch's screen was a little too hard to see outside, and the UI was too cluttered for the type of super-quick tasks I want to do on a watch. (I also really really disliked the lack of an always-on screen, which didn't exist until a few months later.) I like my Pebble because it's a watch first and foremost—I've worn a watch since I was around ten years old—but it just so happens to also show me notifications, and glance at things like the weather and my calendar. And I can do all of that super quickly.
- m-p-3 6y ago
  I bought the Amazfit Bip because the format came close to what Pebble was, but I still miss third-party apps and the timeline UI, which made so much sense on a device that focus mainly on telling the time and upcoming events. Hopefully the folks working on Rebble will make a nice open-source OS that can be ported to other watches out there.
  - happymellon 6y ago
    I have a Bip and it is really great, except for the GPS which takes 10 minutes to get a lock and no 3rd party apps. Everything else is perfect. Although I try to track my runs with it, so it is sadly a big hit against it.
    - vanous 6y ago
      Make sure your aGPS is updated and also that your time is correct (timezone ). I had the same issues ( not 10 minutes but not instant ) , now am getting fix in seconds.

bigiain 6y ago

> Pebble had the right idea. But they executed too slowly and too late. They were also _way_ too small to compete with the industrial design, manufacturing capability, and marketing clout of Apple. Or even Samsung. They were inevitably gonna get crushed. And I say this as a four time Pebble Kickstarter backer who could see it even back then. A couple of kids with an amazing YC pitch deck and ambitions-untempered-by-experience-or-reality? They were never gonna "win" if Jony Ives and Foxconn ended up in their market segment. I don't regret a cent I spent with Pebble. I hope the founders made out like bandits when they sold out, and I hope it launched them onto spectacular career trajectories. But they never really stood a chance of being the top player in any sophisticated consumer electronics space...

BoorishBears 6y ago
Eh, that depends on how you define "win". If you mean sell as many units as Apple and never get bought? Sure. But as someone who also owned an OG Pebble, if the "Pebble-way" was actually better, it would have won. Winning might have meant getting acquired, or even just competitors making devices similar in spirit to theirs, but it'd still be a victory. The "Apple Watch way" was the anti-thesis to the Pebble philosophy with it's needing daily charges and it's color screen, and trying to be a second phone on your wrist with beefy specs. While the Pebble was trying to be _literally_ a smarter watch. And Apple's way won out. People just preferred that.
- bbryant 6y ago
  The mistake we made was thinking we had to compete with Apple. Unfortunately, we realized that a little too late -- had we kept to our own pace we'd still be around, and by now would have figured out how to reach a more mainstream market.
Kihashi 6y ago
> I hope the founders made out like bandits when they sold out, and I hope it launched them onto spectacular career trajectories. Well uh... The company went under, so I doubt they made out like bandits. The IP was sold off, but I suspect that much of that money was used to pay off outstanding liabilities. My impression was that the founders tried to do right by their employees as well. I find it unlikely that they came out of the process with a ton of money- more than likely they lost money.

Wowfunhappy 6y ago

Just as a counter, I'm a (current) Pebble user, and I bought an Apple Watch and returned it. I don't need fitness tracking, the Apple Watch's screen was a little too hard to see outside, and the UI was too cluttered for the type of super-quick tasks I want to do on a watch. (I also really really disliked the lack of an always-on screen, which didn't exist until a few months later.) I like my Pebble because it's a watch first and foremost—I've worn a watch since I was around ten years old—but it just so happens to also show me notifications, and glance at things like the weather and my calendar. And I can do all of that super quickly.

m-p-3 6y ago
I bought the Amazfit Bip because the format came close to what Pebble was, but I still miss third-party apps and the timeline UI, which made so much sense on a device that focus mainly on telling the time and upcoming events. Hopefully the folks working on Rebble will make a nice open-source OS that can be ported to other watches out there.
- happymellon 6y ago
  I have a Bip and it is really great, except for the GPS which takes 10 minutes to get a lock and no 3rd party apps. Everything else is perfect. Although I try to track my runs with it, so it is sadly a big hit against it.
  - vanous 6y ago
    Make sure your aGPS is updated and also that your time is correct (timezone ). I had the same issues ( not 10 minutes but not instant ) , now am getting fix in seconds.