>I think frameworks help young developers become better by the day. I think you're confusing better code with better programmer. A good programmer can come up

>I think frameworks help young developers become better by the day. I think you're confusing better code with better programmer. A good programmer can come up with solutions to complex problems. Good code is focused on the end result: maintainability, clarity, security, efficiency. A good programmer ships good code. But good code doesn't have to come from a good programmer for all the reasons you mentioned. You do not learn how to be a good programmer by writing glue code.