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I would love to see IRC make a comeback but the fact is IRC on mobile is a pain in the ass. Users want persistence and IRC is designed for the opposite.

by na85 6y ago

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keyle 6y ago
I agree. We should evolve the IRC spec to support the modern requirements of common users. Then web clients are just an addition. Call it IRC2 or anything if it offends the original IRC nerds (which I'm part of)
- remexre 6y ago
  Well, there's IRCv3... Problem with multi-device is you need some way of authenticating multiple TCP connections as the same logical user, at which point a lot of IRC's simplicity of implementation has been lost. Whether that's a worthwhile sacrifice is a different question though; I think it might be (as a young IRC nerd).
  - Cloudef 6y ago
    Irc over ssh would solve that and add encryption as a bonus.
  - na85 6y ago
    I feel like certificate based authentication with the server as an optional usermode would solve that.
  - keyle 6y ago
    Yes, I had keys in mind. Some work definitely for UX improvements there, onboarding users.
samdixon 6y ago
That’s somewhat the solution irccloud provides, however they need a mobile app. I think the biggest issue with irc is the backlog. It’s somewhat nice to be able to easily search a companies chat history and find some context. The solution to that is correct documentation, however that problem is much harder.
- amatecha 6y ago
  IRCCloud has had iOS and Android apps since 2016. :)
  - samdixon 6y ago
    Ha, then mark that problem solved :)
    - veb 6y ago
      Not only that, their apps are pretty good too.
  - na85 6y ago
    Signing up for a 3rd party service just to make IRC usable is too much friction to make onboarding new users viable.
zests 6y ago
IRC is pretty much perfect. No "X user is typing" messages. No ads, no tracking, no javascript. No hidden instance of chrome running. The community even self selects in to my own interests.
- mvanbaak 6y ago
  Dont get why you are downvoted. You list exactly the reasons why we also use IRC.
prophesi 6y ago
Obligatory shoutout to https://thelounge.chat/ https://thelounge.chat/ Self-hosted an instance two or so years ago and have never run into issues, besides the occasional kick to my reverse proxy. You can create accounts for your friends/family/coworkers, the web app is fast/clean on mobile, and chat logs are persistent.

I would love to see IRC make a comeback but the fact is IRC on mobile is a pain in the ass. Users want persistence and IRC is designed for the opposite.

by na85 6y ago

I would love to see IRC make a comeback but the fact is IRC on mobile is a pain in the ass. Users want persistence and IRC is designed for the opposite.

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keyle 6y ago

I agree. We should evolve the IRC spec to support the modern requirements of common users. Then web clients are just an addition. Call it IRC2 or anything if it offends the original IRC nerds (which I'm part of)

remexre 6y ago
Well, there's IRCv3... Problem with multi-device is you need some way of authenticating multiple TCP connections as the same logical user, at which point a lot of IRC's simplicity of implementation has been lost. Whether that's a worthwhile sacrifice is a different question though; I think it might be (as a young IRC nerd).
- Cloudef 6y ago
  Irc over ssh would solve that and add encryption as a bonus.
- na85 6y ago
  I feel like certificate based authentication with the server as an optional usermode would solve that.
- keyle 6y ago
  Yes, I had keys in mind. Some work definitely for UX improvements there, onboarding users.

samdixon 6y ago

That’s somewhat the solution irccloud provides, however they need a mobile app. I think the biggest issue with irc is the backlog. It’s somewhat nice to be able to easily search a companies chat history and find some context. The solution to that is correct documentation, however that problem is much harder.

amatecha 6y ago
IRCCloud has had iOS and Android apps since 2016. :)
- samdixon 6y ago
  Ha, then mark that problem solved :)
  - veb 6y ago
    Not only that, their apps are pretty good too.
- na85 6y ago
  Signing up for a 3rd party service just to make IRC usable is too much friction to make onboarding new users viable.

zests 6y ago

IRC is pretty much perfect. No "X user is typing" messages. No ads, no tracking, no javascript. No hidden instance of chrome running. The community even self selects in to my own interests.

mvanbaak 6y ago
Dont get why you are downvoted. You list exactly the reasons why we also use IRC.

prophesi 6y ago

Obligatory shoutout to https://thelounge.chat/ https://thelounge.chat/ Self-hosted an instance two or so years ago and have never run into issues, besides the occasional kick to my reverse proxy. You can create accounts for your friends/family/coworkers, the web app is fast/clean on mobile, and chat logs are persistent.