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It says much more about the people saying that than anything. Salesforce is a reasonably good operating entity, I don't see any reason for Slackers to flinch.

by jariel 6y ago

It says much more about the people saying that than anything. Salesforce is a reasonably good operating entity, I don't see any reason for Slackers to flinch. But consider that 'Slack' was a movement - literally the name, the original premise, there was a corporate/hip aspect to it. Which now it's not, just the opposite, because it's 'Salesforce'. So at least in part - 'it's not cool now'.

pojzon 6y ago
TBH it would be the same in case Microsoft would buy them out. Its really hard to get out of the shadow of failed products. Products that people started hating with passion.
CharlesW 6y ago
Agreed, the reactions I'm seeing here feel more more emotional than rational. (Which is totally legitimate. Emotions are a dominant factor in product "love".) If the product were to get worse, there are any number of effectively-equivalent (if not as lovable) substitutes.
- jariel 6y ago
  It's 'legit' to feel a certain way, the opposite to make decisions about business and productivity that way. The real trick is, to figure out all those things we do that we think are based on utility, but are not. The Saab ad comparing their car to the Jets the make appeals to our 'every little boy wants to be a pilot' fantasy. But the Ford ads that tell us how 'strong' our vehicle is going to be ... even though many of us will never, ever use them for this purpose. Like the guy with 1000 different tools in his shed - he buys them 'because they are useful'. But really, it's the 'emotion/novelty' of utility, not actual utility. At least 1/2 of the tech industry is driven by this, it's hilarious. We HNers, so neurotically passionate about whatever it happens to be ... are the most guilty. Of course a lot comes out of purely speculative and creative use of technology, it's just that we should be better at discerning. Slack, if it's bad, is probably because it's a noisy channel, not because it's Salesforce.
  - CharlesW 6y ago
    > It's 'legit' to feel a certain way, the opposite to make decisions about business and productivity that way. That seems very reasonable from a purely rational POV, and I know we all like to think of ourselves as rational creatures. (It reminds me of this: https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/rational-2 https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/rational-2)

by jariel 6y ago

pojzon 6y ago

TBH it would be the same in case Microsoft would buy them out. Its really hard to get out of the shadow of failed products. Products that people started hating with passion.

CharlesW 6y ago

Agreed, the reactions I'm seeing here feel more more emotional than rational. (Which is totally legitimate. Emotions are a dominant factor in product "love".) If the product were to get worse, there are any number of effectively-equivalent (if not as lovable) substitutes.

jariel 6y ago
It's 'legit' to feel a certain way, the opposite to make decisions about business and productivity that way. The real trick is, to figure out all those things we do that we think are based on utility, but are not. The Saab ad comparing their car to the Jets the make appeals to our 'every little boy wants to be a pilot' fantasy. But the Ford ads that tell us how 'strong' our vehicle is going to be ... even though many of us will never, ever use them for this purpose. Like the guy with 1000 different tools in his shed - he buys them 'because they are useful'. But really, it's the 'emotion/novelty' of utility, not actual utility. At least 1/2 of the tech industry is driven by this, it's hilarious. We HNers, so neurotically passionate about whatever it happens to be ... are the most guilty. Of course a lot comes out of purely speculative and creative use of technology, it's just that we should be better at discerning. Slack, if it's bad, is probably because it's a noisy channel, not because it's Salesforce.
- CharlesW 6y ago
  > It's 'legit' to feel a certain way, the opposite to make decisions about business and productivity that way. That seems very reasonable from a purely rational POV, and I know we all like to think of ourselves as rational creatures. (It reminds me of this: https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/rational-2 https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/rational-2)