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Was that their failing or yours? I'd tend to look at these types of services as a convenience, nothing more. If you allow yourself to become reliant on them f

Was that their failing or yours? I'd tend to look at these types of services as a convenience, nothing more. If you allow yourself to become reliant on them for access to your personal data, like banking, etc., then I'd say that you put too much faith/trust in them. Shit happens, all the time, despite the best intentions of people working hard to make sure it doesn't.

drivebyacct2 15y ago
That's the value proposition of LastPass though, that you use them for all of your passwords...
- bretthoerner 15y ago
  And they have an "offline" non-browser program everyone can/should use to both keep an exported backup and access passwords in an outage.
- ecaradec 15y ago
  That's the marketing offer. I use lastpass for all my websites, but not for my master email, paypal and banks. I have over 120 accounts here and there for websites I test. Before I had three password one for paypal, one for email and one for everything else, then came the gawker debacle. I completly trust lastpass for my twitter account, facebook, affiliation programs, etc...
  - stefanoric 15y ago
    I do exactly the same. Lastpass has my social sites passwords, and other not-so-relevant sites. I commit to memory my hard-to-guess passwords for email, bank and Paypal accounts.
pavel_lishin 15y ago
> I'd tend to look at these types of services as a convenience, nothing more. How do you go about keeping all of your usernames and passwords secure, then?
- fr0sty 15y ago
  I'm not the OP, but I use KeePass+DropBox. The encrypted database is local and synced everywhere. If DropBox goes down I have to fall back to another transport, but I am never "locked out".
- nettdata 15y ago
  Call me crazy, but I use my memory. I also use RSA fobs for the important/big stuff.
  - pavel_lishin 15y ago
    Your memory must be much better than mine. Recommended procedure is to use a different and secure password for every site you care about, right? That's three bank accounts, several work-related accounts, a couple of social media sites, etc. I'd have to remember at least 20 difficult passwords on a daily basis.
    - nettdata 15y ago
      Maybe it is... who knows. It's a hell of a lot easier to do if you don't make it about straight random memorization though. I have a little memory association I do with every site I need an account/pass for, based on various characters out of books I've read. Every site has a character I've associated with it, to make it easier to remember, and I have a simple (to me) algorithm I use to generate the password that includes various capitalization and special characters. Sure, it might take a bit of work early on to remember stuff, but if you learn how to memorize things effectively, it makes it much easier. Mind you, I also know all my CC numbers, passport number, drivers license, etc., as well, so maybe I'm just weird.
      - pavel_lishin 15y ago
        Maybe not weird, but definitely better than me. I remember my driver's license, my phone number, my girlfriend's, and my parents'. That's about it. The mnemonic is a good idea. I've thought about doing that - but then I fear that I'd forget the mnemonic :)

drivebyacct2 15y ago

That's the value proposition of LastPass though, that you use them for all of your passwords...

bretthoerner 15y ago
And they have an "offline" non-browser program everyone can/should use to both keep an exported backup and access passwords in an outage.
ecaradec 15y ago
That's the marketing offer. I use lastpass for all my websites, but not for my master email, paypal and banks. I have over 120 accounts here and there for websites I test. Before I had three password one for paypal, one for email and one for everything else, then came the gawker debacle. I completly trust lastpass for my twitter account, facebook, affiliation programs, etc...
- stefanoric 15y ago
  I do exactly the same. Lastpass has my social sites passwords, and other not-so-relevant sites. I commit to memory my hard-to-guess passwords for email, bank and Paypal accounts.

pavel_lishin 15y ago

> I'd tend to look at these types of services as a convenience, nothing more. How do you go about keeping all of your usernames and passwords secure, then?

fr0sty 15y ago
I'm not the OP, but I use KeePass+DropBox. The encrypted database is local and synced everywhere. If DropBox goes down I have to fall back to another transport, but I am never "locked out".
nettdata 15y ago
Call me crazy, but I use my memory. I also use RSA fobs for the important/big stuff.
- pavel_lishin 15y ago
  Your memory must be much better than mine. Recommended procedure is to use a different and secure password for every site you care about, right? That's three bank accounts, several work-related accounts, a couple of social media sites, etc. I'd have to remember at least 20 difficult passwords on a daily basis.
  - nettdata 15y ago
    Maybe it is... who knows. It's a hell of a lot easier to do if you don't make it about straight random memorization though. I have a little memory association I do with every site I need an account/pass for, based on various characters out of books I've read. Every site has a character I've associated with it, to make it easier to remember, and I have a simple (to me) algorithm I use to generate the password that includes various capitalization and special characters. Sure, it might take a bit of work early on to remember stuff, but if you learn how to memorize things effectively, it makes it much easier. Mind you, I also know all my CC numbers, passport number, drivers license, etc., as well, so maybe I'm just weird.
    - pavel_lishin 15y ago
      Maybe not weird, but definitely better than me. I remember my driver's license, my phone number, my girlfriend's, and my parents'. That's about it. The mnemonic is a good idea. I've thought about doing that - but then I fear that I'd forget the mnemonic :)