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> free tool I'd rather describe this as a mail-in-rebate for the costs of running Windows 10. We sort of implicitly know there is this need to make the Window

> free tool I'd rather describe this as a mail-in-rebate for the costs of running Windows 10. We sort of implicitly know there is this need to make the Windows lifestyle more sane, and can rely on tools like these existing. But the time it takes to research this, track down the best binary for the job (examining the source code is not always easy), makes me conclude that there's a real hidden cost to being a Windows user.

TheOtherHobbes 6y ago
It's not so hidden. It honestly astounds me that users are willing to put up with this bullshit. The most impressive thing about Microsoft as a company is the way it single-handedly lowered user expectations to the point where ads, security issues, and critical time-wasting failures are somehow considered an acceptable price of entry, and not evidence of an unacceptably shoddy, incompetent, and user-hostile product culture.
- craftinator 6y ago
  Well, I came here to comment, but you already succinctly summed up my thoughts. Thanks for that!
- phone8675309 6y ago
  People who run Windows aren’t the users - they’re the product, either with Microsoft selling their eyes with advertisements, harvesting their usage data through telemetry for a profit, using their numbers to push paid development software, or using their ubiquity to be the basis for computer literacy materials for public schools paid for by taxpayer.
  - ims 6y ago
    I think the user vs. product dichotomy is not right in this case. Microsoft really does make its money on products and support. You can see this on their public filings. The relevant dichotomy is more like: people who run Windows aren't the buyers. One-off personal licenses for home PCs are more than a rounding error but are certainly not what made Microsoft what it is. Governments and F500 companies buy Windows and Office for X00,000 machines for X0 years of support at a time. Enterprise procurement teams are the actual buyers whose opinions matter to product managers.
  - maest 6y ago
    > harvesting their usage data through telemetry for a profit Does MS sell their telemetry data?

TheOtherHobbes 6y ago

It's not so hidden. It honestly astounds me that users are willing to put up with this bullshit. The most impressive thing about Microsoft as a company is the way it single-handedly lowered user expectations to the point where ads, security issues, and critical time-wasting failures are somehow considered an acceptable price of entry, and not evidence of an unacceptably shoddy, incompetent, and user-hostile product culture.

craftinator 6y ago
Well, I came here to comment, but you already succinctly summed up my thoughts. Thanks for that!
phone8675309 6y ago
People who run Windows aren’t the users - they’re the product, either with Microsoft selling their eyes with advertisements, harvesting their usage data through telemetry for a profit, using their numbers to push paid development software, or using their ubiquity to be the basis for computer literacy materials for public schools paid for by taxpayer.
- ims 6y ago
  I think the user vs. product dichotomy is not right in this case. Microsoft really does make its money on products and support. You can see this on their public filings. The relevant dichotomy is more like: people who run Windows aren't the buyers. One-off personal licenses for home PCs are more than a rounding error but are certainly not what made Microsoft what it is. Governments and F500 companies buy Windows and Office for X00,000 machines for X0 years of support at a time. Enterprise procurement teams are the actual buyers whose opinions matter to product managers.
- maest 6y ago
  > harvesting their usage data through telemetry for a profit Does MS sell their telemetry data?