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Okay, this is a serious issue and I want this to be taken seriously by Apple. What can I, as a reader, do? Is there someone to forward this to? Is there a pers

Okay, this is a serious issue and I want this to be taken seriously by Apple. What can I, as a reader, do? Is there someone to forward this to? Is there a person in Apple to email? Or are we hoping for a tweet storm to stir the water?

sofixa 6y ago
"vote with your wallet" would say some purists.
- vevans 6y ago
  I don’t know that voting with your wallet works with the richest company in the world, especially when a lot of professionals have to have their devices to do their jobs.
  - juliend2 6y ago
    Voting with your wallet is the crudest & most direct form of power that people have. In a way, it surpasses democracy. So yes, if enough people do it, it does make a difference. The HN crowd in particular has a sizeable influence on other people with regards to technology. Because we are the techies, people ask us what they should use/buy. People observe what knowledgeable people do, and they tend to learn from it. You have more influence than you think. It just takes time to see the changes take effect.
    - Razengan 6y ago
      > In a way, it surpasses democracy. Is there any form of democracy in practice that doesn't involve money? > The HN crowd in particular has a sizeable influence on other people with regards to technology. Because we are the techies, people ask us what they should use/buy. See, many of us do recommend people to buy Apple. Because they're still very much the lesser evil among the Microsofts and Googles. If Apple does go bad, it's ridiculously easy to avoid Apple completely: Just don't buy any Apple hardware. Done. Not so easy with MSFT or GOOG, which is what we warn people about. And that's something the other side on HN can't seem to be able to handle and tries to bury any opposing comments to give the impression of a homogenous echo chamber.
      - cglong 6y ago
        I haven't purchased an Apple product in three years but I'm still stuck using iCloud.
        Razengan 6y ago
        iCloud is still easier to move out of and never see again than say GitHub or YouTube, both of which were not owned by Microsoft or Google before but now here we are.
    - higerordermap 6y ago
      Yet people here are all blinded by hate on Google but somehow trust on Apple.
- jmnicolas 6y ago
  I have voted with my wallet since the 90s. As you can see Apple bottom line was deeply affected.
saagarjha 6y ago
Upvote this and take to Twitter.
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vkou 6y ago
Now that this issue has hit HN, I expect it to be patched quickly. The problem that is hard to solve is 'what does Apple do about issues that don't hit HN?'

sofixa 6y ago

"vote with your wallet" would say some purists.

vevans 6y ago
I don’t know that voting with your wallet works with the richest company in the world, especially when a lot of professionals have to have their devices to do their jobs.
- juliend2 6y ago
  Voting with your wallet is the crudest & most direct form of power that people have. In a way, it surpasses democracy. So yes, if enough people do it, it does make a difference. The HN crowd in particular has a sizeable influence on other people with regards to technology. Because we are the techies, people ask us what they should use/buy. People observe what knowledgeable people do, and they tend to learn from it. You have more influence than you think. It just takes time to see the changes take effect.
  - Razengan 6y ago
    > In a way, it surpasses democracy. Is there any form of democracy in practice that doesn't involve money? > The HN crowd in particular has a sizeable influence on other people with regards to technology. Because we are the techies, people ask us what they should use/buy. See, many of us do recommend people to buy Apple. Because they're still very much the lesser evil among the Microsofts and Googles. If Apple does go bad, it's ridiculously easy to avoid Apple completely: Just don't buy any Apple hardware. Done. Not so easy with MSFT or GOOG, which is what we warn people about. And that's something the other side on HN can't seem to be able to handle and tries to bury any opposing comments to give the impression of a homogenous echo chamber.
    - cglong 6y ago
      I haven't purchased an Apple product in three years but I'm still stuck using iCloud.
      - Razengan 6y ago
        iCloud is still easier to move out of and never see again than say GitHub or YouTube, both of which were not owned by Microsoft or Google before but now here we are.
  - higerordermap 6y ago
    Yet people here are all blinded by hate on Google but somehow trust on Apple.
jmnicolas 6y ago
I have voted with my wallet since the 90s. As you can see Apple bottom line was deeply affected.

saagarjha 6y ago

Upvote this and take to Twitter.

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vkou 6y ago

Now that this issue has hit HN, I expect it to be patched quickly. The problem that is hard to solve is 'what does Apple do about issues that don't hit HN?'