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>Well, every time there is a bug fix in one of your dependencies you/your distribution would have to recompile everything that depends on it Well no, I could o

>Well, every time there is a bug fix in one of your dependencies you/your distribution would have to recompile everything that depends on it Well no, I could opt not to apply the bug fix if it isn't affecting me. This again is sort of serve mentality, where of course you want to get a bug fix in as quick as possible in case it is a security issue. A desktop user, maybe you don't. >After all, even nowadays application authors could provide static packages, but many don't do it. Right, and really what I would like is for application authors to just static link more, more often, on linux. Or at the least ship their programs with installers that apply the needed deps if they are not already there! That the OS itself is statically linked doesn't really matter, but perhaps it would inspire an ecosystem that does this. > I like Arch Linux best at the moment Probably suggest arch linux to someone complaining about having to track down dependencies does not make sense, since such a person is more interested in the OS just working rather than making the OS a bit of a hobby that that they want to customize. Which, is why I mostly use windows.

jcelerier 6y ago
> Probably suggest arch linux to someone complaining about having to track down dependencies does not make sense, since such a person is more interested in the OS just working rather than making the OS a bit of a hobby that that they want to customize. having used Red Hat, Mandrake, Ubuntu, Debian... Arch Linuxis by far the most "just works" distro I've used
- thekyle 6y ago
  Do you really mean Arch Linux or something based on it like Manjaro? Pretty sure Arch Linux doesn't even come with an installer.
  - jcelerier 6y ago
    there are plenty of installers of archlinux - I use https://anarchyinstaller.org/ https://anarchyinstaller.org/ for instance
    - thekyle 6y ago
      But do any of those come with the ISO available at https://www.archlinux.org/download/ https://www.archlinux.org/download/? I don't see how you can say something "just works" if you have to go out of your way to choose an installer for it.
      - jcelerier 6y ago
        ArchLinux is not defined by the ArchLinux ISO ? it will be arch as long as it installs packages from the arch repos, which is what those installer do. So you just burn this iso to an usb and be happy: https://gitlab.com/anarchyinstaller/installer/-/releases https://gitlab.com/anarchyinstaller/installer/-/releases
arendtio 6y ago
> Probably suggest arch linux to someone complaining about having to track down dependencies does not make sense, since such a person is more interested in the OS just working rather than making the OS a bit of a hobby that that they want to customize. Sure, in the beginning you have to spend some time to set it up, but due to the rolling releases it has a great longevity. And talking about application integration, I prefer the package management style (even through AUR) greatly to the chaotic download some binary and execute it way windows does it. Over time your windows always gets so messy because every device manufacturer seems to think that it is cool, to bundle his device driver with hundreds of megabytes of non-sense-ware (last weekend I installed some Logitech driver on Windows, because the default Windows driver didn't work (on Arch I didn't have to install anything extra, just saying... yes, anecdotal evidence)).
pixl97 6y ago
>Which, is why I mostly use windows. Oh, Windows can have dependency hell. And even worse is when you have a WinSXS blowout and you're trying to figure out why that subdirectory is using up 80GB of space for an unknown reason.
- jbverschoor 6y ago
  DLLHell
boogies 6y ago
> Probably suggest arch linux to someone complaining about having to track down dependencies does not make sense, since such a person is more interested in the OS just working rather than making the OS a bit of a hobby that that they want to customize. Then recommend Manjaro, not an OS that “just” loads them down with ads, tracking, forced updates, and more unless — and to some extent still even after — they customize it.
- Shared404 6y ago
  At the risk of starting a distro war in the comments, I'll have to recommend Pop!_OS over Manjaro. Pop has broken itself less often then Windows for me, while Manjaro has broken itself slightly more.

jcelerier 6y ago

> Probably suggest arch linux to someone complaining about having to track down dependencies does not make sense, since such a person is more interested in the OS just working rather than making the OS a bit of a hobby that that they want to customize. having used Red Hat, Mandrake, Ubuntu, Debian... Arch Linuxis by far the most "just works" distro I've used

thekyle 6y ago
Do you really mean Arch Linux or something based on it like Manjaro? Pretty sure Arch Linux doesn't even come with an installer.
- jcelerier 6y ago
  there are plenty of installers of archlinux - I use https://anarchyinstaller.org/ https://anarchyinstaller.org/ for instance
  - thekyle 6y ago
    But do any of those come with the ISO available at https://www.archlinux.org/download/ https://www.archlinux.org/download/? I don't see how you can say something "just works" if you have to go out of your way to choose an installer for it.
    - jcelerier 6y ago
      ArchLinux is not defined by the ArchLinux ISO ? it will be arch as long as it installs packages from the arch repos, which is what those installer do. So you just burn this iso to an usb and be happy: https://gitlab.com/anarchyinstaller/installer/-/releases https://gitlab.com/anarchyinstaller/installer/-/releases

arendtio 6y ago

> Probably suggest arch linux to someone complaining about having to track down dependencies does not make sense, since such a person is more interested in the OS just working rather than making the OS a bit of a hobby that that they want to customize. Sure, in the beginning you have to spend some time to set it up, but due to the rolling releases it has a great longevity. And talking about application integration, I prefer the package management style (even through AUR) greatly to the chaotic download some binary and execute it way windows does it. Over time your windows always gets so messy because every device manufacturer seems to think that it is cool, to bundle his device driver with hundreds of megabytes of non-sense-ware (last weekend I installed some Logitech driver on Windows, because the default Windows driver didn't work (on Arch I didn't have to install anything extra, just saying... yes, anecdotal evidence)).

pixl97 6y ago

>Which, is why I mostly use windows. Oh, Windows can have dependency hell. And even worse is when you have a WinSXS blowout and you're trying to figure out why that subdirectory is using up 80GB of space for an unknown reason.

jbverschoor 6y ago
DLLHell

boogies 6y ago

> Probably suggest arch linux to someone complaining about having to track down dependencies does not make sense, since such a person is more interested in the OS just working rather than making the OS a bit of a hobby that that they want to customize. Then recommend Manjaro, not an OS that “just” loads them down with ads, tracking, forced updates, and more unless — and to some extent still even after — they customize it.

Shared404 6y ago
At the risk of starting a distro war in the comments, I'll have to recommend Pop!_OS over Manjaro. Pop has broken itself less often then Windows for me, while Manjaro has broken itself slightly more.