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This appears to be a battle of philosophies. May "the best business" win. Our Dearest Zucky vs Freedom Fighter Stallman. The enteral struggle continues.

chrisseaton 6y ago
> This appears to be a battle of philosophies. May "the best business" win. Why do you think it's a battle? Why does anyone have to be fighting? Both groups can build the web they want to build. Both can live side by side. What's the problem? Complaining that someone else is not building the thing you think they should be building is not a reasonable complaint.
- michaelt 6y ago
  If my local bicycle shop or running club decides they don't need a website because they've got a facebook page, some would see that as a loss to the open web.
  - giobox 6y ago
    I hate this too, but to continue the example, my actual real life bike shop struggled for years with bad websites sold to them by a succession of "developers". The Facebook page appears to draw as much if not more business, and chap can run entire thing himself with no overheads. It's hardly a surprise some choose just to use Facebook really - as far as they are concerned its often "better" for them than the open web was, even if that is hard to swallow sometimes.
  - chrisseaton 6y ago
    That's only a 'loss to the open web' if the open web somehow had an inherent claim to have that page in the first place.
    - krapp 6y ago
      yeah, "open" implies the freedom to choose to be hosted by a platform like Facebook if you want. It would be a loss to the open web if, somehow, there were no alternatives but Facebook, but that isn't the case. It took me a second on Google to find bike shops local to me that have web presences outside of Facebook. They probably have pages on Facebook as well (it would just be good business) but the web isn't a zero-sum game, one doesn't somehow cancel out the other.

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This appears to be a battle of philosophies. May "the best business" win. Our Dearest Zucky vs Freedom Fighter Stallman. The enteral struggle continues.

by drdeadringer 6y ago

chrisseaton 6y ago
> This appears to be a battle of philosophies. May "the best business" win. Why do you think it's a battle? Why does anyone have to be fighting? Both groups can build the web they want to build. Both can live side by side. What's the problem? Complaining that someone else is not building the thing you think they should be building is not a reasonable complaint.
- michaelt 6y ago
  If my local bicycle shop or running club decides they don't need a website because they've got a facebook page, some would see that as a loss to the open web.
  - giobox 6y ago
    I hate this too, but to continue the example, my actual real life bike shop struggled for years with bad websites sold to them by a succession of "developers". The Facebook page appears to draw as much if not more business, and chap can run entire thing himself with no overheads. It's hardly a surprise some choose just to use Facebook really - as far as they are concerned its often "better" for them than the open web was, even if that is hard to swallow sometimes.
  - chrisseaton 6y ago
    That's only a 'loss to the open web' if the open web somehow had an inherent claim to have that page in the first place.
    - krapp 6y ago
      yeah, "open" implies the freedom to choose to be hosted by a platform like Facebook if you want. It would be a loss to the open web if, somehow, there were no alternatives but Facebook, but that isn't the case. It took me a second on Google to find bike shops local to me that have web presences outside of Facebook. They probably have pages on Facebook as well (it would just be good business) but the web isn't a zero-sum game, one doesn't somehow cancel out the other.