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This article doesn't make any sense. It's a disguised Trump apologist piece. Look near the end where he describes Trump helping a dictator as a good thing beca

This article doesn't make any sense. It's a disguised Trump apologist piece. Look near the end where he describes Trump helping a dictator as a good thing because "it brings the corruption out in the open". Laughably stupid defence unless you believe the deep state pizza place pedo conspiracies, then it's 4D chess. He goes on to explain that Trump has publicly done many corrupt and terrible things that you normally don't see because "they're in the shadows". This is just the 4chan deep state crap that's been pushed by crazies ever since it turned out Obama was actually a US citizen, to everyone's surprise. It's far more likely that Trump is just corrupt and doing terrible things because that's what he does.

rjkennedy98 6y ago
This article said something quite plain and obvious: Obama when in office despite his rhetoric was an enabler and propagandizer (willing and not) of expanding middle eastern conflict. That is just objectively true despite how painful that may be for Obama supporters. Trump was not. The only "conspiracy" here is the speculation that it is a reason for the intelligence community disliking him. If you think that is a "pizza place pedo conspiracy" than I don't know what to tell you, except that Glen Greenwald is one of the foremost experts on US Intelligence and has seen tens of thousands of documents that few people have seen.
mark_l_watson 6y ago
Greenwald is tough on both republicans and democrats. He really doesn’t play fair because he uses well documented facts and, being independent, can cover any story he wants without being blocked by monied special interests, the DNC, or the RNC. I pay $5/month for Greenwald’s (and also Matt Taibbi’s) newsletters and it is money well spent.
fault_lines 6y ago
> Look near the end where he describes Trump helping a dictator as a good thing because "it brings the corruption out in the open". I could not find this in the article. > He goes on to explain that Trump has publicly done many corrupt and terrible things that you normally don't see because "they're in the shadows". This is a statement of fact, what part are you disagreeing with?
bdavisx 6y ago
I fucking hate Trump, probably more than you can imagine - but this article brings up one of the few things I thought he tried to do right - get us out of wars that we were mired in. Of course, he did a shitty job because he's an overall incompetent person when it comes to anything besides selling himself, but he did try. And although I didn't read the whole thing, the parts I did make me realize that I agree with the whole bring it out in the open part as well - if we're hiding that we are supporting evil dictators, most people consider that bad. Anyway, even with all that, I still hate him with a passion and I may make it my mission in retirement to piss on his grave, literally :) - childish but it would make me feel good.
- amanaplanacanal 6y ago
  I only mostly agree with you, in that he seems to be trying to spin up a war with Iran. It’s hard to know what his actual goals are here.
- kungito 6y ago
  I keep hearing how he's getting USA out of wars but then I go to wikipedia and read stuff like At the beginning of Donald Trump's presidency in early 2017, there were fewer than 9,000 American troops in Afghanistan.[92] By early summer 2017, troop levels increased by about 50%; there were no formal plans to withdraw.[93][94][95] In August 2019, the Taliban planned to negotiate with the U.S. to reduce troop levels back to where they had been when Trump took office,[96] but Trump canceled the negotiations after a Taliban attack.[97] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Afghanistan_(2001%E2%80%93present)#cite_note-95 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Afghanistan_(2001%E2%80...
WealthVsSurvive 6y ago
The enemy of my enemy is my friend. The Trumpers in DC are chanting "I am my brother's keeper" and are upset at the US plutocracy and are taking a stand against it, regardless of how misinformed they actually are. Perhaps the progressive left should forgive them, find common ground, display class solidarity, and work together to actually drain the very real swamp.
- mindslight 6y ago
  That's nice in theory, but falls apart as Trump supporters seem blind to Trump's own shameless corruption. "Drain the swamp" and "fake news" are valid critiques for sure, but Trump has merely channeled these frustrations to gain support and cover for carrying out his own graft. You can't get more blatant than stealing PPE from hospitals to redistribute it through your own company while taking a healthy cut. As a libertarian I had been intrigued by the meme that Trump hasn't started a new war, but this article puts that in the best context I've seen. He was happy to continue meddling in other countries and committing acts of war against Iran, just nothing strategic or long term. This fits with Trump being of low intelligence and used to simply waving his dick around to get what he wants, but that simply doesn't scale to the actions of a country. And so his pigheadedness is great for drawing attention to the workings of the corrupt system, but that's about it. I do see where Trump supporters are coming from, at least starting out. But I don't see how there can be solidarity while they continue to go on the offensive against the grassroots of the other team (antifa bogeyman, all lives matter, etc). And at this point I would say that is most of the energy of the movement. And so it's ultimately just another round of the same divide and conquer the masses that's been going on for decades, only this time with disastrous pandemic response.
  - WealthVsSurvive 6y ago
    1) Admit Trump was right about the coastal elites, then expound upon what they are. 2) Run on draining the swamp. 3) Relay the genuine message of Christ as anti-plutocrat, anti-empire. 4) Build bridges instead of identity judgements.
    - 6y ago

rjkennedy98 6y ago

This article said something quite plain and obvious: Obama when in office despite his rhetoric was an enabler and propagandizer (willing and not) of expanding middle eastern conflict. That is just objectively true despite how painful that may be for Obama supporters. Trump was not. The only "conspiracy" here is the speculation that it is a reason for the intelligence community disliking him. If you think that is a "pizza place pedo conspiracy" than I don't know what to tell you, except that Glen Greenwald is one of the foremost experts on US Intelligence and has seen tens of thousands of documents that few people have seen.

mark_l_watson 6y ago

Greenwald is tough on both republicans and democrats. He really doesn’t play fair because he uses well documented facts and, being independent, can cover any story he wants without being blocked by monied special interests, the DNC, or the RNC. I pay $5/month for Greenwald’s (and also Matt Taibbi’s) newsletters and it is money well spent.

fault_lines 6y ago

> Look near the end where he describes Trump helping a dictator as a good thing because "it brings the corruption out in the open". I could not find this in the article. > He goes on to explain that Trump has publicly done many corrupt and terrible things that you normally don't see because "they're in the shadows". This is a statement of fact, what part are you disagreeing with?

bdavisx 6y ago

I fucking hate Trump, probably more than you can imagine - but this article brings up one of the few things I thought he tried to do right - get us out of wars that we were mired in. Of course, he did a shitty job because he's an overall incompetent person when it comes to anything besides selling himself, but he did try. And although I didn't read the whole thing, the parts I did make me realize that I agree with the whole bring it out in the open part as well - if we're hiding that we are supporting evil dictators, most people consider that bad. Anyway, even with all that, I still hate him with a passion and I may make it my mission in retirement to piss on his grave, literally :) - childish but it would make me feel good.

amanaplanacanal 6y ago
I only mostly agree with you, in that he seems to be trying to spin up a war with Iran. It’s hard to know what his actual goals are here.
kungito 6y ago
I keep hearing how he's getting USA out of wars but then I go to wikipedia and read stuff like At the beginning of Donald Trump's presidency in early 2017, there were fewer than 9,000 American troops in Afghanistan.[92] By early summer 2017, troop levels increased by about 50%; there were no formal plans to withdraw.[93][94][95] In August 2019, the Taliban planned to negotiate with the U.S. to reduce troop levels back to where they had been when Trump took office,[96] but Trump canceled the negotiations after a Taliban attack.[97] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Afghanistan_(2001%E2%80%93present)#cite_note-95 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Afghanistan_(2001%E2%80...

WealthVsSurvive 6y ago

The enemy of my enemy is my friend. The Trumpers in DC are chanting "I am my brother's keeper" and are upset at the US plutocracy and are taking a stand against it, regardless of how misinformed they actually are. Perhaps the progressive left should forgive them, find common ground, display class solidarity, and work together to actually drain the very real swamp.

mindslight 6y ago
That's nice in theory, but falls apart as Trump supporters seem blind to Trump's own shameless corruption. "Drain the swamp" and "fake news" are valid critiques for sure, but Trump has merely channeled these frustrations to gain support and cover for carrying out his own graft. You can't get more blatant than stealing PPE from hospitals to redistribute it through your own company while taking a healthy cut. As a libertarian I had been intrigued by the meme that Trump hasn't started a new war, but this article puts that in the best context I've seen. He was happy to continue meddling in other countries and committing acts of war against Iran, just nothing strategic or long term. This fits with Trump being of low intelligence and used to simply waving his dick around to get what he wants, but that simply doesn't scale to the actions of a country. And so his pigheadedness is great for drawing attention to the workings of the corrupt system, but that's about it. I do see where Trump supporters are coming from, at least starting out. But I don't see how there can be solidarity while they continue to go on the offensive against the grassroots of the other team (antifa bogeyman, all lives matter, etc). And at this point I would say that is most of the energy of the movement. And so it's ultimately just another round of the same divide and conquer the masses that's been going on for decades, only this time with disastrous pandemic response.
- WealthVsSurvive 6y ago
  1) Admit Trump was right about the coastal elites, then expound upon what they are. 2) Run on draining the swamp. 3) Relay the genuine message of Christ as anti-plutocrat, anti-empire. 4) Build bridges instead of identity judgements.
  - 6y ago