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> If the open web really depends on general purpose computers, then it's somewhat disingenuous to suggest that people should just spin up instances on some clou

> If the open web really depends on general purpose computers, then it's somewhat disingenuous to suggest that people should just spin up instances on some cloud provider, because that locks people into that cloud provider. The old web didn't have that property - if you used a colocation provider and wanted to switch, you drove down, picked up your hard drives, and left. Same now, easier in fact. If I want to migrate from linode to digital ocean I simply restore my backup image. Indeed I do this automatically -- I have a site running on an AWS lightsail instance, which is backed up nightly to a linode server, and that backup is restored automatically onto linode with a minor script that changes the URLs from my production site to my test site. It's far more accessible than running my own server in a colocation.

solatic 6y ago
Right, it's not that it's technically impossible, you just pay for data egress. And data egress is expensive precisely to lock you in. I used the colo example because removing hard drives from the colo premises doesn't involve data egress charges.
- iso1631 6y ago
  I don't know how much data you have on your websites, but my daily backup tar is under 3GB, or under 100GB a month. My $5/month lightsail server comes with 2TB a month, and linode 1TB.
  - solatic 6y ago
    So probably the number one home usecase would be to manage social media, emphasis on media. Not just your photos and videos, at very high quality (4k+) at that, but also saving any photos or videos of others that are shared with you and that you wish to save (or share further). This is not to mention that, if you really own your data, and you control it in your house, then really you should be able to store Big Data at home. Everything from the telemetry of the things you own, to your medical data (a link to which, in standard format, you can discreetly share with a doctor you authorize) and your home security controls (which serve you and aren't dependent on some cloud provider). CCTV isn't cheap to store on the cloud. A couple of terabytes wouldn't be nearly enough.

solatic 6y ago

Right, it's not that it's technically impossible, you just pay for data egress. And data egress is expensive precisely to lock you in. I used the colo example because removing hard drives from the colo premises doesn't involve data egress charges.

iso1631 6y ago
I don't know how much data you have on your websites, but my daily backup tar is under 3GB, or under 100GB a month. My $5/month lightsail server comes with 2TB a month, and linode 1TB.
- solatic 6y ago
  So probably the number one home usecase would be to manage social media, emphasis on media. Not just your photos and videos, at very high quality (4k+) at that, but also saving any photos or videos of others that are shared with you and that you wish to save (or share further). This is not to mention that, if you really own your data, and you control it in your house, then really you should be able to store Big Data at home. Everything from the telemetry of the things you own, to your medical data (a link to which, in standard format, you can discreetly share with a doctor you authorize) and your home security controls (which serve you and aren't dependent on some cloud provider). CCTV isn't cheap to store on the cloud. A couple of terabytes wouldn't be nearly enough.