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The degree to which Instagram or Pinterest bleed into the "old web" is hurting the surfing experience of those who want to stay outside of those walled gardens.

The degree to which Instagram or Pinterest bleed into the "old web" is hurting the surfing experience of those who want to stay outside of those walled gardens. There are millions of entry points into those walled gardens, which stop me right at the gate. I can't see a timelapse of a solar flare, because the photographer [1] has been lured into using Instagram as his publishing platform in return for a better interaction with "followers". From a technical viewpoint, there is no reason for this restriction. This is breaking the old internet. [1] https://www.instagram.com/cosmic_background/ https://www.instagram.com/cosmic_background/

amatecha 6y ago
"Log in to view posts from cosmic_background" I love the modern web :)
zo1 6y ago
This is why we have to fight against it at a much lower level. HTTPS is a prime example of this. It effectively "locks" the data channel or pipe from the source (FB/Instagram/Google servers) to your viewing device (screen, and in a lot of cases, locked-down web-browser) making it effectively a dumb terminal. If MITM-type techologies were allowed to exist safely and controlled by the user, we could be seeing a proliferation of an ecosystem geared around breaking and integrating-with the walled-gardens. I'd go out on a limb and say that HTTPS is one of the biggest hurdles we face when it comes to keeping the web open. With it firmly in-place, we are forced to beg for "scraps" in terms of these walled-gardens giving us API/Integration points. Edit. Grammar.
- pjc50 6y ago
  This argument is silly in the presence of open-source web browsers that can accept extensions. > proliferation of an ecosystem geared around breaking and integrating-with the walled-gardens Youtube-dl works just fine. What kind of things did you have in mind that people might want but are unachievable because of https?
  - TeMPOraL 6y ago
    > This argument is silly in the presence of open-source web browsers that can accept extensions. The only browser like that with any meaningful adoption is slowly dying, as its parent organization is spinning like a headless chicken.
  - turminal 6y ago
    I'm sure many would happily put an end to Youtube-dl (and other such tooling), and for some the copyright infringement argument is just a cover for their issue with youtube-dl basically punching a hole in their garden's wall. As a side note, imo the state of the copyright laws also does no good to the openness of the web.

amatecha 6y ago

"Log in to view posts from cosmic_background" I love the modern web :)

zo1 6y ago

This is why we have to fight against it at a much lower level. HTTPS is a prime example of this. It effectively "locks" the data channel or pipe from the source (FB/Instagram/Google servers) to your viewing device (screen, and in a lot of cases, locked-down web-browser) making it effectively a dumb terminal. If MITM-type techologies were allowed to exist safely and controlled by the user, we could be seeing a proliferation of an ecosystem geared around breaking and integrating-with the walled-gardens. I'd go out on a limb and say that HTTPS is one of the biggest hurdles we face when it comes to keeping the web open. With it firmly in-place, we are forced to beg for "scraps" in terms of these walled-gardens giving us API/Integration points. Edit. Grammar.

pjc50 6y ago
This argument is silly in the presence of open-source web browsers that can accept extensions. > proliferation of an ecosystem geared around breaking and integrating-with the walled-gardens Youtube-dl works just fine. What kind of things did you have in mind that people might want but are unachievable because of https?
- TeMPOraL 6y ago
  > This argument is silly in the presence of open-source web browsers that can accept extensions. The only browser like that with any meaningful adoption is slowly dying, as its parent organization is spinning like a headless chicken.
- turminal 6y ago
  I'm sure many would happily put an end to Youtube-dl (and other such tooling), and for some the copyright infringement argument is just a cover for their issue with youtube-dl basically punching a hole in their garden's wall. As a side note, imo the state of the copyright laws also does no good to the openness of the web.