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Let’s not fail to mention the $100k elephant in the room :). It’s very hard to focus on real learning when your financial freedom is at stake. People can not b
by gen220 6y ago
Let’s not fail to mention the $100k elephant in the room :).
It’s very hard to focus on real learning when your financial freedom is at stake. People can not be faulted to feel that every minute spent studying the liberal arts curriculum is a minute that might be better invested in studying something that slays the elephant.
It’s a life or death feeling when the money involved is more than your parents have earned cumulatively.
Slaying the elephant becomes the end goal, everything else is secondary. A high GPA is a spear, and ethical integrity is a cheap way of obtaining it. This doesn’t explain why everyone cheats, but I think it attracts the otherwise “good” people, who are essential for normalizing the practice.
IMO, we need to do away with the elephant, and the rest will follow. Schools need not be so expensive. I hope some startup school will do the job. Otherwise, companies might be the first to do it.
It’s probably cheaper for Google to operate a University than it is to operate their recruiting pipeline :)
- dghlsakjg 6y agoI know a lot of people on here don't like them but software bootcamps are very much the startup working at solving the job training problem. Sadly, it is an industry where caveat emptor certainly applies, but if you do your research there are definitely programs that are worth their price. Check out CIRR.org which reports audited numbers from bootcamps. Good luck finding a university that reports comprehensive, audited, financial and career outcomes for their students. The numbers don't really exist, because it would be, guessing here, VERY embarassing for the universities.
- colechristensen 6y agoI seem to remember being given placement and salary statistics when starting out in engineering.
- gen220 6y agoI got statistics too, starting out in engineering. But based on the surveys I’ve participated in since graduating, I’m suspicious of their methodology... Basically there’s no incentive for their studies to be scientific, and I don’t think they are. Their most-touted metric was “ROI”, which is super vague and highly dependent on in-field job placement, which was measured in a highly suspect way at my school.