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AWS is playing the long game and betting that M1 based servers start to take off. It's very risky (and expensive) but it would pay off if they are correct. The

by xyst 6y ago

AWS is playing the long game and betting that M1 based servers start to take off. It's very risky (and expensive) but it would pay off if they are correct. They would be first in the market and be years ahead of their competition.

techscruggs 6y ago
At Amazon's scale, betting on M1 servers for a niche subset of their EC2 offering doesn't seem to be really risky.
novok 6y ago
macstadium has been doing this for a while, but it can be unstable and annoying at times. If they can be better than macstadium then it is compelling for iOS dev shops who don't want to maintain a fleet of mac mini build servers. Also amazon can use it themselves for their own CI services
detaro 6y ago
I doubt this is a play at M1 servers. M1 servers on Apple hardware is not what AWS wants people to use when the alternative is other AWS servers. Only for running macOS there isn't an alternative.
- dash2 6y ago
  AWS’s value proposition isn’t the hardware. Why wouldn’t they use M1 if it’s best for their customers?
  - detaro 6y ago
    Because they'd much rather use their own high-density server designs instead of dealing with Macs that really aren't made for datacenters, and M1 has no clear must-have benefit over those justifying that effort outside of the macOS use case. Now if Apple were to selling/license M1 chips to them, that might be different, but there is no indication that's going to happen in any way, and then the current work based on Macs wouldn't really be preparation for it.
    - dash2 6y ago
      I disagree. I think it’s obvious that if they went into it big, they wouldn’t just buy retail Macs. The current work would be testing the market and the experience of providing MacOS as a server. If there’s demand for server M1 chips, why wouldn’t Apple sell them? It’s a completely different market from their laptop consumer business. Bottom line: if the market demands M1 on servers, there’s billions to be made supplying them.
      - detaro 6y ago
        Apple clearly isn't interested in others offering macOS servers on non-Apple hardware, their licensing practices make that clear. If not to run macOS, AWS customers have no reason to demand M1 cores, and AWS has little reason to want to buy M1 chips over their own designs. And Apple and AWS are not the kind of companies to go in a deep partnership with shared designs etc over something like this.

by xyst 6y ago

techscruggs 6y ago

At Amazon's scale, betting on M1 servers for a niche subset of their EC2 offering doesn't seem to be really risky.

novok 6y ago

macstadium has been doing this for a while, but it can be unstable and annoying at times. If they can be better than macstadium then it is compelling for iOS dev shops who don't want to maintain a fleet of mac mini build servers. Also amazon can use it themselves for their own CI services

detaro 6y ago

I doubt this is a play at M1 servers. M1 servers on Apple hardware is not what AWS wants people to use when the alternative is other AWS servers. Only for running macOS there isn't an alternative.

dash2 6y ago
AWS’s value proposition isn’t the hardware. Why wouldn’t they use M1 if it’s best for their customers?
- detaro 6y ago
  Because they'd much rather use their own high-density server designs instead of dealing with Macs that really aren't made for datacenters, and M1 has no clear must-have benefit over those justifying that effort outside of the macOS use case. Now if Apple were to selling/license M1 chips to them, that might be different, but there is no indication that's going to happen in any way, and then the current work based on Macs wouldn't really be preparation for it.
  - dash2 6y ago
    I disagree. I think it’s obvious that if they went into it big, they wouldn’t just buy retail Macs. The current work would be testing the market and the experience of providing MacOS as a server. If there’s demand for server M1 chips, why wouldn’t Apple sell them? It’s a completely different market from their laptop consumer business. Bottom line: if the market demands M1 on servers, there’s billions to be made supplying them.
    - detaro 6y ago
      Apple clearly isn't interested in others offering macOS servers on non-Apple hardware, their licensing practices make that clear. If not to run macOS, AWS customers have no reason to demand M1 cores, and AWS has little reason to want to buy M1 chips over their own designs. And Apple and AWS are not the kind of companies to go in a deep partnership with shared designs etc over something like this.