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In terms of "other people's computers" it seems to fit well. Nice to be able to build/CI test against macOS without having to provision and maintain apple hard

In terms of "other people's computers" it seems to fit well. Nice to be able to build/CI test against macOS without having to provision and maintain apple hardware.

dheera 6y ago
You can also run a MacOS VM in VirtualBox on Ubuntu. No Apple hardware needed. https://github.com/myspaghetti/macos-virtualbox https://github.com/myspaghetti/macos-virtualbox
- untog 6y ago
  It's against Apple's T&Cs, though. If you're doing it at home by yourself, who cares. But a company that's interested in automated testing etc. isn't going to see it as an answer.
  - dheera 6y ago
    Get an old old old Mac pro from ages ago. Upgrade its motherboard. Then upgrade its RAM. Then upgrade its hard drive. Then upgrade its power supply. It will still be an "Apple-branded computer" because of its case. It will just have received a bunch of upgrades. Big "haha" to them. (Or if you're actually a corporation just buy a Mac.)
    - google234123 6y ago
      That sounds like a waste of time and money.
      - dheera 6y ago
        Definitely not a waste of money. Apple charges $1200+ for a soldered-in 4TB SSD that I can buy for $400 and upgrade in the future. IMO their price gouging is ethically much worse than someone making a hackintosh and using it to enrich the MacOS software ecosystem.
    - _underfl0w_ 6y ago
      Shortcut: Build a hackintosh, then stick it in an Apple case. Profit.
- derefr 6y ago
  You “can”, in a technical sense, but not legally—Apple’s licensing for macOS only allows it to be run on Apple hardware. (You can run a macOS domU on another OS’s hypervisor, but that hypervisor has to be running on a Mac.) This matters when you’re a corporation.
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- cercatrova 6y ago
  You can't really test apps if there's no graphics acceleration. If you want graphics acceleration, you'll need to run a macOS VM with GPU passthrough using virtio or Proxmox. I did that for a bit until I just gave up and bought a Mac.
- detaro 6y ago
  Your legal department is going to be stoked when you try that at work.
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  - dheera 6y ago
    They will never know if you don't tell them. Copenhagen interpretation -- if it isn't observable it doesn't exist.
    - granzymes 6y ago
      Highly recommend not hiding legal issues from your company's lawyers. That's a good way to get fired. And sued.
    - cortesoft 6y ago
      This works if you aren't successful. If you are, it will get out.
- gsich 6y ago
  People pointing out that this may be against ToS. But that might not be the case depending on which country you're in.
- thelopa 6y ago
  I don’t know about the legalities, but according to Apple you are only allowed to run macOS on real Mac hardware. Anything else is probably an EULA violation or something. As an aside, in the script you link to is this line > VBoxManage setextradata "${vm_name}" "VBoxInternal/Devices/smc/0/Config/DeviceKey" "ourhardworkbythesewordsguardedpleasedontsteal(c)AppleComputerInc" I think that’s Apple’s way of reminding you about their rules regarding host machines.
- zelly 6y ago
  You will get your Apple Developer account terminated if they ever find out. Live by the walled garden die by the walled garden
  - noduerme 6y ago
    Screw the walled garden. Build web apps.
  - dheera 6y ago
    If you're making an awesome app that many Mac users use and depend on, they would be stupid to terminate your dev account.
    - ben-schaaf 6y ago
      Epic Games would beg to differ...
joana035 6y ago
Travis CI offers MacOS runners out of the box.
- toomuchtodo 6y ago
  Now anyone has MacOS runners mostly out of the box.

In terms of "other people's computers" it seems to fit well. Nice to be able to build/CI test against macOS without having to provision and maintain apple hardware.

dheera 6y ago

You can also run a MacOS VM in VirtualBox on Ubuntu. No Apple hardware needed. https://github.com/myspaghetti/macos-virtualbox https://github.com/myspaghetti/macos-virtualbox

untog 6y ago
It's against Apple's T&Cs, though. If you're doing it at home by yourself, who cares. But a company that's interested in automated testing etc. isn't going to see it as an answer.
- dheera 6y ago
  Get an old old old Mac pro from ages ago. Upgrade its motherboard. Then upgrade its RAM. Then upgrade its hard drive. Then upgrade its power supply. It will still be an "Apple-branded computer" because of its case. It will just have received a bunch of upgrades. Big "haha" to them. (Or if you're actually a corporation just buy a Mac.)
  - google234123 6y ago
    That sounds like a waste of time and money.
    - dheera 6y ago
      Definitely not a waste of money. Apple charges $1200+ for a soldered-in 4TB SSD that I can buy for $400 and upgrade in the future. IMO their price gouging is ethically much worse than someone making a hackintosh and using it to enrich the MacOS software ecosystem.
  - _underfl0w_ 6y ago
    Shortcut: Build a hackintosh, then stick it in an Apple case. Profit.
derefr 6y ago
You “can”, in a technical sense, but not legally—Apple’s licensing for macOS only allows it to be run on Apple hardware. (You can run a macOS domU on another OS’s hypervisor, but that hypervisor has to be running on a Mac.) This matters when you’re a corporation.
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cercatrova 6y ago
You can't really test apps if there's no graphics acceleration. If you want graphics acceleration, you'll need to run a macOS VM with GPU passthrough using virtio or Proxmox. I did that for a bit until I just gave up and bought a Mac.
detaro 6y ago
Your legal department is going to be stoked when you try that at work.
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- dheera 6y ago
  They will never know if you don't tell them. Copenhagen interpretation -- if it isn't observable it doesn't exist.
  - granzymes 6y ago
    Highly recommend not hiding legal issues from your company's lawyers. That's a good way to get fired. And sued.
  - cortesoft 6y ago
    This works if you aren't successful. If you are, it will get out.
gsich 6y ago
People pointing out that this may be against ToS. But that might not be the case depending on which country you're in.
thelopa 6y ago
I don’t know about the legalities, but according to Apple you are only allowed to run macOS on real Mac hardware. Anything else is probably an EULA violation or something. As an aside, in the script you link to is this line > VBoxManage setextradata "${vm_name}" "VBoxInternal/Devices/smc/0/Config/DeviceKey" "ourhardworkbythesewordsguardedpleasedontsteal(c)AppleComputerInc" I think that’s Apple’s way of reminding you about their rules regarding host machines.
zelly 6y ago
You will get your Apple Developer account terminated if they ever find out. Live by the walled garden die by the walled garden
- noduerme 6y ago
  Screw the walled garden. Build web apps.
- dheera 6y ago
  If you're making an awesome app that many Mac users use and depend on, they would be stupid to terminate your dev account.
  - ben-schaaf 6y ago
    Epic Games would beg to differ...

joana035 6y ago

Travis CI offers MacOS runners out of the box.

toomuchtodo 6y ago
Now anyone has MacOS runners mostly out of the box.