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The M1 is a 10W part, no? I would kill to see the 25W M-series chip. Oh and the 10W is for the entire SOC, GPU and memory included.

by r00fus 6y ago

glasshead969 6y ago
I have device with me and on full load on both CPU and GPU it can go up to 25 but for most use cases i see the whole SOC hovering around 15W
ece 6y ago
Nope. Anandtech measured 27W peak on M1 CPU workloads with the average closer to 20W+[1]. The Ryzen 4800U and i7-1165G7 also have comparable GPUs (and TPU+ISP for the i7) within the same ~15-25W TDP. The Intel i7-1165G7 average TDP might be closer to ~30W because of it's 4.7Ghz boost clock, but it's still comparable to the M1. The i7-1165G7 and 4800U have a few laptop designs with soldered RAM. You can get 17hrs+ of video out of a 4800U laptop with a 60Wh battery[2]. Also comparable with i7-1065G7/i7-1165G7 at 15hrs+/50Wh. [1] https://www.anandtech.com/show/16252/mac-mini-apple-m1-tested https://www.anandtech.com/show/16252/mac-mini-apple-m1-teste... [2] https://www.pcworld.com/article/3531989/battery-life-amd-ryzen-4000-mobile-cpus.html https://www.pcworld.com/article/3531989/battery-life-amd-ryz...
- willyt 6y ago
  Wasn’t 27W for the whole Mac Mini machine using a meter at the wall plug? So that includes losses in the power supply and ssd and everything else outside the chip that uses a bit of juice whereas the AMD tdp is just the chip. I thought Anandtech said there was currently no reliable way to do an ‘apples to apples’ tdp comparison? Edit: quote from anandtech: “As we had access to the Mac mini rather than a Macbook, it meant that power measurement was rather simple on the device as we can just hook up a meter to the AC input of the device. It’s to be noted with a huge disclaimer that because we are measuring AC wall power here, the power figures aren’t directly comparable to that of battery-powered devices, as the Mac mini’s power supply will incur a efficiency loss greater than that of other mobile SoCs, as well as TDP figures contemporary vendors such as Intel or AMD publish.”
- caribbeanblue 6y ago
  The M1 doesn’t use 24W, it uses 12-16 watts. https://www.anandtech.com/show/16252/mac-mini-apple-m1-tested/3 https://www.anandtech.com/show/16252/mac-mini-apple-m1-teste... (CPU, GPU + DRAM combined)
jtuente 6y ago
18W CPU peak power, 10W is their power efficiency comparison point.
sspiff 6y ago
M1 is a 20W (max) CPU and a 40W SoC (whole package max). However, in most intense workloads it doesn't go near 40W, more like ~25W under high load. Still incredibly impressive.

The M1 is a 10W part, no? I would kill to see the 25W M-series chip. Oh and the 10W is for the entire SOC, GPU and memory included.

by r00fus 6y ago

The M1 is a 10W part, no? I would kill to see the 25W M-series chip. Oh and the 10W is for the entire SOC, GPU and memory included.

glasshead969 6y ago

I have device with me and on full load on both CPU and GPU it can go up to 25 but for most use cases i see the whole SOC hovering around 15W

ece 6y ago

Nope. Anandtech measured 27W peak on M1 CPU workloads with the average closer to 20W+[1]. The Ryzen 4800U and i7-1165G7 also have comparable GPUs (and TPU+ISP for the i7) within the same ~15-25W TDP. The Intel i7-1165G7 average TDP might be closer to ~30W because of it's 4.7Ghz boost clock, but it's still comparable to the M1. The i7-1165G7 and 4800U have a few laptop designs with soldered RAM. You can get 17hrs+ of video out of a 4800U laptop with a 60Wh battery[2]. Also comparable with i7-1065G7/i7-1165G7 at 15hrs+/50Wh. [1] https://www.anandtech.com/show/16252/mac-mini-apple-m1-tested https://www.anandtech.com/show/16252/mac-mini-apple-m1-teste... [2] https://www.pcworld.com/article/3531989/battery-life-amd-ryzen-4000-mobile-cpus.html https://www.pcworld.com/article/3531989/battery-life-amd-ryz...

willyt 6y ago
Wasn’t 27W for the whole Mac Mini machine using a meter at the wall plug? So that includes losses in the power supply and ssd and everything else outside the chip that uses a bit of juice whereas the AMD tdp is just the chip. I thought Anandtech said there was currently no reliable way to do an ‘apples to apples’ tdp comparison? Edit: quote from anandtech: “As we had access to the Mac mini rather than a Macbook, it meant that power measurement was rather simple on the device as we can just hook up a meter to the AC input of the device. It’s to be noted with a huge disclaimer that because we are measuring AC wall power here, the power figures aren’t directly comparable to that of battery-powered devices, as the Mac mini’s power supply will incur a efficiency loss greater than that of other mobile SoCs, as well as TDP figures contemporary vendors such as Intel or AMD publish.”
caribbeanblue 6y ago
The M1 doesn’t use 24W, it uses 12-16 watts. https://www.anandtech.com/show/16252/mac-mini-apple-m1-tested/3 https://www.anandtech.com/show/16252/mac-mini-apple-m1-teste... (CPU, GPU + DRAM combined)

jtuente 6y ago

18W CPU peak power, 10W is their power efficiency comparison point.

sspiff 6y ago

M1 is a 20W (max) CPU and a 40W SoC (whole package max). However, in most intense workloads it doesn't go near 40W, more like ~25W under high load. Still incredibly impressive.