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This isn’t just a knock-off, this is a company who stole all my branded imagery which I paid thousands for photoshoots. They stole our copy as well. I understan

This isn’t just a knock-off, this is a company who stole all my branded imagery which I paid thousands for photoshoots. They stole our copy as well. I understand this is part of business, what I don’t understand is how Amazon is allowing this to happen.

WarOnPrivacy 6y ago
That was interesting. You carefully outlined a clearly delineated issue and the poster conjured up some overarching philosophical point and responded to that instead. I bet it was like dealing with Amazon all over again.
rahimnathwani 6y ago
Perhaps they're confused by the images you submitted. In the image with the man's hand in his pocket, the 'copy' has details that don't exist in the original: - More of the man's hand and shirt cuff - Seams on the front of the shirt and trousers So, at least at first glance, it seems impossible for the left image to be a copy of the one on the right. Perhaps you had previously used a more zoomed-out version, and they copied that?
- hisnameisjimmy 6y ago
  When I see replies like this, I am made aware that some people see the world dramatically different from me. To me, this is about as close to just directly copying everything as you can get. To point out the seams is to lose the forest for the trees. Genuine question, does copying to you mean that it has to be exact? Like, if there are small, meaningless differences, then it's not copying?
  - AaronNewcomer 6y ago
    No, he means that the OP has a cropped version of the image and the “counterfeiter” has an uncropped version of the same image. If the counterfeiter really stole the images how could he have a less cropped version. Maybe Amazon also sees things like this and decided they can’t tell who stole from whom. I don’t that is the case here but it is possible Amazon gets all sorts of notices like this from people who aren’t as genuine and may be lying to remove a competitor.
    - shaftway 6y ago
      I agree here. This isn't a case where someone took a similar picture. The pictures are identical except OPs is more cropped than the competitor. This is similar to a common practice in the art world where you photograph the borders of a painting before framing it. If there's ever any doubt about whether the painting was swapped for a forgerie, just look at the photos of the borders and compare them. I'd have similar questions if I was on the Amazon team receiving this complaint.
    - BTCOG 6y ago
      I think it's plausible that the Chinese cloners never bought the original product but instead hacked his server that had all the photos and schematics to produce the product on their own. No, I don't have any evidence for that being the case, but I think it possible with this being the direct method counterfeit groups use to knock off most things from Western countries.
starky 6y ago
I mean, if the company is copying your product already, why would they go to the effort of coming up with new marketing? Amazon has no incentive to actually go after counterfeit goods, they get paid either way, so any team that would investigate counterfeit claims is a pure cost to them. Due to this they do the bare minimum to prevent further regulations being brought down that they would have to comply with.

WarOnPrivacy 6y ago

That was interesting. You carefully outlined a clearly delineated issue and the poster conjured up some overarching philosophical point and responded to that instead. I bet it was like dealing with Amazon all over again.

rahimnathwani 6y ago

Perhaps they're confused by the images you submitted. In the image with the man's hand in his pocket, the 'copy' has details that don't exist in the original: - More of the man's hand and shirt cuff - Seams on the front of the shirt and trousers So, at least at first glance, it seems impossible for the left image to be a copy of the one on the right. Perhaps you had previously used a more zoomed-out version, and they copied that?

hisnameisjimmy 6y ago
When I see replies like this, I am made aware that some people see the world dramatically different from me. To me, this is about as close to just directly copying everything as you can get. To point out the seams is to lose the forest for the trees. Genuine question, does copying to you mean that it has to be exact? Like, if there are small, meaningless differences, then it's not copying?
- AaronNewcomer 6y ago
  No, he means that the OP has a cropped version of the image and the “counterfeiter” has an uncropped version of the same image. If the counterfeiter really stole the images how could he have a less cropped version. Maybe Amazon also sees things like this and decided they can’t tell who stole from whom. I don’t that is the case here but it is possible Amazon gets all sorts of notices like this from people who aren’t as genuine and may be lying to remove a competitor.
  - shaftway 6y ago
    I agree here. This isn't a case where someone took a similar picture. The pictures are identical except OPs is more cropped than the competitor. This is similar to a common practice in the art world where you photograph the borders of a painting before framing it. If there's ever any doubt about whether the painting was swapped for a forgerie, just look at the photos of the borders and compare them. I'd have similar questions if I was on the Amazon team receiving this complaint.
  - BTCOG 6y ago
    I think it's plausible that the Chinese cloners never bought the original product but instead hacked his server that had all the photos and schematics to produce the product on their own. No, I don't have any evidence for that being the case, but I think it possible with this being the direct method counterfeit groups use to knock off most things from Western countries.

starky 6y ago

I mean, if the company is copying your product already, why would they go to the effort of coming up with new marketing? Amazon has no incentive to actually go after counterfeit goods, they get paid either way, so any team that would investigate counterfeit claims is a pure cost to them. Due to this they do the bare minimum to prevent further regulations being brought down that they would have to comply with.