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Trevor Milton invited me to his headquarters to prove his trucks weren't fake. While we were having lunch I asked him about the longtime friend of his (15 years

Trevor Milton invited me to his headquarters to prove his trucks weren't fake. While we were having lunch I asked him about the longtime friend of his (15 years, went to his wedding) who he had framed for extortion. The friend later committed suicide when he got out of jail. This was all happening during the Nikola reverse-IPO process. After a recording of our conversation was posted online, a bunch of women came forward with accusations against Trevor Milton. That and the Hindenburg report are why GM can't do this deal anymore. They weren't investing anything. They were getting the equity for free essentially, just to let them use the GM hydrogen tech that GM was planning to throw away anyway. So why would GM back out of a deal that was so sweet for them? It was really that bad. https://heyamifat.com/robb.mp4 https://heyamifat.com/robb.mp4

ct0 6y ago
After listening to the recording it's pretty clear that this guy is a fraud. what is the lethal dose of acid? thanks, ill wait.
- redisman 6y ago
  I bet if you eat 20lbs it would do something bad to your stomach
- ALittleLight 6y ago
  Not to mention that, if he had done 10-15x the lethal dose of acid, wouldn't he be dead?
  - omarforgotpwd 6y ago
    hahaha exactly his story makes no sense
walrus01 6y ago
Just to be clear, did you record this in a jurisdiction that is single-party consent for recording audio?
- posguy 6y ago
  Considering it wasn't a telephone call and was possibly in a common space (restaurant, lunch room, etc), this type of recording might not need two party consent in the handful of states that are not one party consent states: https://www.wallsheinlaw.com/articles/the-two-party-consent-state-and-its-exceptions/ https://www.wallsheinlaw.com/articles/the-two-party-consent-...
  - joshribakoff 6y ago
    This isn’t a defense against harassment, defamation, or any of the other charges that may apply including wiretapping (of which you list a possible defense). Listen to a lawyer not people on the internet, including me, when it comes to legal advice
- omarforgotpwd 6y ago
  When we arrived at Nikola headquarters, we were told we could record everything. The idea was to get the word out on social media that the company wasn't a fraud.
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- shortandsweet 6y ago
  Just curious because I would like to learn a different perspective, why would it matter? I could see maybe for a trial but here, on the internet, what is the issue?
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  - hn_throwaway_99 6y ago
    Some states are what is known as "all party consent" states, while others are "one party consent" states. In all party consent states, it is illegal to record a private conversation unless everyone who is being recorded is aware and has consented to being recorded. In one party consent states (which are the majority of states), only one person (presumably the person doing the recording) needs to be aware of and consent to the recording. That difference can obviously make a huge impact on the legal ramifications of recording. For example, during the Monica Lewinsky/Bill Clinton affair, the only person actually indicted for a crime (later dropped) was Linda Tripp, who was brought up on wiretapping charges for surreptitiously recording Lewinsky. This only happened because Maryland is an all party consent state. This is also why customer service calls start with "This call may be recorded for quality purposes..." - it's to inform you that the call is being recorded if you happen to live in an all party consent state.
tuna-piano 6y ago
Can you elaborate on the "framed for extortion"... what is the evidence that Trevor framed him?
- omarforgotpwd 6y ago
  Trevor told Jonny Robb to stop posting about his behavior towards women, and in exchange he would give him $500,000. He told Jonny to come and collect $50,000, and that $50,000 would be paid in successive increments as long as he continued not to post. When Jonny arrived to meet Trevor he found that Trevor was with the police and it was a sting operation. He was arrested for extortion and possession of a controlled substance (weed + mushrooms in his car). When he was released from jail he took his own life. It's not 100% certain that Trevor first brought up the idea of a payment to keep him quiet, but that is my belief after talking to Jonny's family and friends as well as listening to Trevor's story in person.
  - gruez 6y ago
    >Trevor told Jonny Robb to stop posting about his behavior towards women, and in exchange he would give him $500,000. IANAL, but how is that not entrapment? Or even if it wasn't entrapment, how is it different than signing a NDA/non-disparagement contract? >possession of a controlled substance (weed + mushrooms in his car) okay that's just dumb.
    - omarforgotpwd 6y ago
      because Trevor told the police that Jonny had told him "give me money or i'm going to post untrue information about you to ruin your reputation". The info turned out to be true, which makes me doubt him recounting that Jonny brought up the idea of a pay off.
      - Akababa 6y ago
        So Trevor fabricated evidence to fool the police? That's a far more serious offense than the sexual misconduct, and frankly it's hard to believe he could pull that off, unless he managed to bribe the police. Johnny's probably not completely innocent - they can both be scumbags.
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14u2c 6y ago
Why would he volunteer any information on that situation at all. Seems incredibly foolish.
Triv888 6y ago
Do you have a link that provides some evidence about the bunch of accusations from women that you talk about? Because in all your comments you talk about a lot of stuff with little proof...
- omarforgotpwd 6y ago
  let me google that for you https://www.cnbc.com/2020/09/29/two-women-file-sexual-abuse-complaints-against-nikola-founder-trevor-milton.html https://www.cnbc.com/2020/09/29/two-women-file-sexual-abuse-...

ct0 6y ago

After listening to the recording it's pretty clear that this guy is a fraud. what is the lethal dose of acid? thanks, ill wait.

redisman 6y ago
I bet if you eat 20lbs it would do something bad to your stomach
ALittleLight 6y ago
Not to mention that, if he had done 10-15x the lethal dose of acid, wouldn't he be dead?
- omarforgotpwd 6y ago
  hahaha exactly his story makes no sense

walrus01 6y ago

Just to be clear, did you record this in a jurisdiction that is single-party consent for recording audio?

posguy 6y ago
Considering it wasn't a telephone call and was possibly in a common space (restaurant, lunch room, etc), this type of recording might not need two party consent in the handful of states that are not one party consent states: https://www.wallsheinlaw.com/articles/the-two-party-consent-state-and-its-exceptions/ https://www.wallsheinlaw.com/articles/the-two-party-consent-...
- joshribakoff 6y ago
  This isn’t a defense against harassment, defamation, or any of the other charges that may apply including wiretapping (of which you list a possible defense). Listen to a lawyer not people on the internet, including me, when it comes to legal advice
omarforgotpwd 6y ago
When we arrived at Nikola headquarters, we were told we could record everything. The idea was to get the word out on social media that the company wasn't a fraud.
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shortandsweet 6y ago
Just curious because I would like to learn a different perspective, why would it matter? I could see maybe for a trial but here, on the internet, what is the issue?
- deleted 6y ago
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- hn_throwaway_99 6y ago
  Some states are what is known as "all party consent" states, while others are "one party consent" states. In all party consent states, it is illegal to record a private conversation unless everyone who is being recorded is aware and has consented to being recorded. In one party consent states (which are the majority of states), only one person (presumably the person doing the recording) needs to be aware of and consent to the recording. That difference can obviously make a huge impact on the legal ramifications of recording. For example, during the Monica Lewinsky/Bill Clinton affair, the only person actually indicted for a crime (later dropped) was Linda Tripp, who was brought up on wiretapping charges for surreptitiously recording Lewinsky. This only happened because Maryland is an all party consent state. This is also why customer service calls start with "This call may be recorded for quality purposes..." - it's to inform you that the call is being recorded if you happen to live in an all party consent state.

tuna-piano 6y ago

Can you elaborate on the "framed for extortion"... what is the evidence that Trevor framed him?

omarforgotpwd 6y ago
Trevor told Jonny Robb to stop posting about his behavior towards women, and in exchange he would give him $500,000. He told Jonny to come and collect $50,000, and that $50,000 would be paid in successive increments as long as he continued not to post. When Jonny arrived to meet Trevor he found that Trevor was with the police and it was a sting operation. He was arrested for extortion and possession of a controlled substance (weed + mushrooms in his car). When he was released from jail he took his own life. It's not 100% certain that Trevor first brought up the idea of a payment to keep him quiet, but that is my belief after talking to Jonny's family and friends as well as listening to Trevor's story in person.
- gruez 6y ago
  >Trevor told Jonny Robb to stop posting about his behavior towards women, and in exchange he would give him $500,000. IANAL, but how is that not entrapment? Or even if it wasn't entrapment, how is it different than signing a NDA/non-disparagement contract? >possession of a controlled substance (weed + mushrooms in his car) okay that's just dumb.
  - omarforgotpwd 6y ago
    because Trevor told the police that Jonny had told him "give me money or i'm going to post untrue information about you to ruin your reputation". The info turned out to be true, which makes me doubt him recounting that Jonny brought up the idea of a pay off.
    - Akababa 6y ago
      So Trevor fabricated evidence to fool the police? That's a far more serious offense than the sexual misconduct, and frankly it's hard to believe he could pull that off, unless he managed to bribe the police. Johnny's probably not completely innocent - they can both be scumbags.

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14u2c 6y ago

Why would he volunteer any information on that situation at all. Seems incredibly foolish.

Triv888 6y ago

Do you have a link that provides some evidence about the bunch of accusations from women that you talk about? Because in all your comments you talk about a lot of stuff with little proof...

omarforgotpwd 6y ago
let me google that for you https://www.cnbc.com/2020/09/29/two-women-file-sexual-abuse-complaints-against-nikola-founder-trevor-milton.html https://www.cnbc.com/2020/09/29/two-women-file-sexual-abuse-...