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Hi, I see you just arrived from 1980. Welcome to our century! Here in our time, Americans eat all kinds of ethnic foods and some people wear face masks. Thai fo

Hi, I see you just arrived from 1980. Welcome to our century! Here in our time, Americans eat all kinds of ethnic foods and some people wear face masks. Thai food is currently in vogue, we now have a spicy sauce called Sriracha (born in the USA), and you can get jalapeño poppers at fast food joints. Oh, and the food trucks! The President made a campaign promise to have a taco truck on every corner!

eyelidlessness 6y ago
A promise[1] not kept[2]. [1]: He expressed it as a threat. [2]: I think the hope that we'd have a taco truck on every corner was probably more unifying than anything else that's happened or been done by anyone in the US since.
fnord77 6y ago
gosh, even around 1980, I remember my risk-averse parents getting chinese and indian food in nowhereville, and demon-core hot buffalo wings were popular.
- Retric 6y ago
  You say that, yet I will take that as evidence supporting my argument. Chinese food served in US restaurants has little in common with actual Chinese food, it’s common for them to have completely different menus for people who actually speak Chinese with a different set of dishes. Indian food went through a similar transition, where there is a distinctly American take generally served. PS: Hot isn’t a complex flavor it’s exactly what’s left over after you extract the complexity from many ethnic dishes.
  - pests 6y ago
    Agreed on the second menus. While eating inside my local Chinese place a few years back I saw an amazing dish being eating by another patron and was given the scoop. It was literally a second menu, no photos, all Chinese. Everything I've tried has been great but it's definitely different food from the main menu.
Retric 6y ago
Americans eat ethnic foods in the same way local Chinese restaurants serve authentic Chinese cuisine, or pizza is an authentic ethnic Italian dish. American Thai food as generally consumed is rapidly becoming it’s own thing that’s somewhat related to actual Thai food. Like California rolls or hotdogs what’s left over after the free market has it’s say is a very different thing.
- yellowapple 6y ago
  I mean, that's what happens as a cuisine gets passed down from generation to generation: it evolves. Cuisine and language are similar in that respect. The sort of English spoken in the US is no less "real" than the sort of English spoken in England; why would the Chinese food made and sold by the descendants of Chinese immigrants in the US be any less "real" than the Chinese food made and sold in China? They both evolved from the same point, and simply diverged and evolved. And that's what we're seeing now with Thai food. As the generations get further and further removed from the original immigrants, the cuisine continues to evolve in its own direction. And why shouldn't it? It's also worth remembering that restaurants are not always (and in fact, rarely are) representative of the actual local cuisines. There's still heavy emphasis on the good ol' home cooked meal (as hard as frozen food chains might try to supplant home cooking), and that's where you see both the preservation of tradition and the proliferation of experimentation, marketability and profit be damned. Indeed, looking at these home cooked meals, it becomes readily evident that the oft-denigrated Chinese holes-in-the-wall and small town pizzerias are far closer to authenticity than the fancy gastropubs and fusion restaurants of snobbish preference; authentic cuisine puts form over function, and heartiness over presentation. Authenticity comes from humility and self-awareness; it doesn't need to try to impress anyone's palate.
  - Retric 6y ago
    It’s the speed of change that suggests it’s more than just the natural evolution of food. I am not saying it’s a purely negative effect, just describing what’s happens when a new ethnic food gets introduced to the American pallet. I stand by my original point that you can’t call something authentic X after you significantly later what it is. Small town pizzerias and snobbish restaurants are both very distinct from classic Italian food. That said, if you go to Italy today they very much cater to tourists expecting food their familiar with. Further, while the tomato was only imported in the 16th century, that’s plenty far back to confuse the issue.

eyelidlessness 6y ago

A promise[1] not kept[2]. [1]: He expressed it as a threat. [2]: I think the hope that we'd have a taco truck on every corner was probably more unifying than anything else that's happened or been done by anyone in the US since.

fnord77 6y ago

gosh, even around 1980, I remember my risk-averse parents getting chinese and indian food in nowhereville, and demon-core hot buffalo wings were popular.

Retric 6y ago
You say that, yet I will take that as evidence supporting my argument. Chinese food served in US restaurants has little in common with actual Chinese food, it’s common for them to have completely different menus for people who actually speak Chinese with a different set of dishes. Indian food went through a similar transition, where there is a distinctly American take generally served. PS: Hot isn’t a complex flavor it’s exactly what’s left over after you extract the complexity from many ethnic dishes.
- pests 6y ago
  Agreed on the second menus. While eating inside my local Chinese place a few years back I saw an amazing dish being eating by another patron and was given the scoop. It was literally a second menu, no photos, all Chinese. Everything I've tried has been great but it's definitely different food from the main menu.

Retric 6y ago

Americans eat ethnic foods in the same way local Chinese restaurants serve authentic Chinese cuisine, or pizza is an authentic ethnic Italian dish. American Thai food as generally consumed is rapidly becoming it’s own thing that’s somewhat related to actual Thai food. Like California rolls or hotdogs what’s left over after the free market has it’s say is a very different thing.

yellowapple 6y ago
I mean, that's what happens as a cuisine gets passed down from generation to generation: it evolves. Cuisine and language are similar in that respect. The sort of English spoken in the US is no less "real" than the sort of English spoken in England; why would the Chinese food made and sold by the descendants of Chinese immigrants in the US be any less "real" than the Chinese food made and sold in China? They both evolved from the same point, and simply diverged and evolved. And that's what we're seeing now with Thai food. As the generations get further and further removed from the original immigrants, the cuisine continues to evolve in its own direction. And why shouldn't it? It's also worth remembering that restaurants are not always (and in fact, rarely are) representative of the actual local cuisines. There's still heavy emphasis on the good ol' home cooked meal (as hard as frozen food chains might try to supplant home cooking), and that's where you see both the preservation of tradition and the proliferation of experimentation, marketability and profit be damned. Indeed, looking at these home cooked meals, it becomes readily evident that the oft-denigrated Chinese holes-in-the-wall and small town pizzerias are far closer to authenticity than the fancy gastropubs and fusion restaurants of snobbish preference; authentic cuisine puts form over function, and heartiness over presentation. Authenticity comes from humility and self-awareness; it doesn't need to try to impress anyone's palate.
- Retric 6y ago
  It’s the speed of change that suggests it’s more than just the natural evolution of food. I am not saying it’s a purely negative effect, just describing what’s happens when a new ethnic food gets introduced to the American pallet. I stand by my original point that you can’t call something authentic X after you significantly later what it is. Small town pizzerias and snobbish restaurants are both very distinct from classic Italian food. That said, if you go to Italy today they very much cater to tourists expecting food their familiar with. Further, while the tomato was only imported in the 16th century, that’s plenty far back to confuse the issue.